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      "text": "Mark, last time we spoke, you called me.",
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      "text": "It was on the weekend. Well, you called",
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      "text": "interesting part.",
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      "text": ">> Was it loud in the background?",
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      "text": ">> You were You were going to fish. I",
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      "text": "wasn't going to say it, but yeah, it was",
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      "text": ">> The noise cancellation actually is",
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      "text": "pretty good.",
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      "text": ">> Oh, it's great.",
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      "text": ">> Yeah, it's great.",
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      "text": ">> Yeah. I I mean,",
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      "text": ">> yeah. Um, but you wanted to talk about",
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      "text": "this essay manifesto. I don't know what",
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      "text": ">> uh, that you published recently and and",
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      "text": "there's a lot in it. And I wanted to",
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      "text": "start there because there's a lot of big",
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      "text": "ideas in there and they'll connect to",
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      "text": "kind of the main thing we're talking",
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      "text": "about today.",
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      "text": ">> Yeah.",
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      "text": ">> Um I'm curious like why write that",
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      "text": "because it's long. There's a lot in",
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      "text": "there. [laughter]",
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    {
      "text": ">> Well, yeah. Well, I I feel like if",
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      "text": "you're going to invest so much in",
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      "text": "building AI, uh, then it's important",
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      "text": "that people understand what your lab",
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      "text": "opportunities, but there are also all",
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      "text": "these real risks. So, I think it's very",
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      "text": "important that everyone who's working on",
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      "text": "going to lead to a positive future. You",
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      "text": "know, it's interesting because I mean",
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      "text": "the different labs have have some",
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      "text": "there's, you know, a lot of things that",
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      "text": "I think have become conventional wisdom",
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      "text": "in the industry that I just strongly",
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      "text": "positive future for everyone is to make",
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      "text": "the source of prosperity in the world.",
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      "text": "and it has been throughout history. Two",
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      "text": "going to be invention of new things not",
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      "text": "the future is basically establishing the",
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      "text": "right checks and balances and balance of",
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      "text": "power rather than restricting access.",
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      "text": "And I think that that's these are all",
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      "text": "things that I think oddly are are kind",
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      "text": "that when you put power in people's",
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      "text": "hands, most advances don't come from the",
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      "text": "when they get enough tools to um to to",
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      "text": "checks and balances, right? And this",
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      "text": ">> and um",
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      "text": ">> oh we're going to get into the code",
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      "text": ">> I have a bunch of questions about the",
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      "text": "a second because you said a lot of",
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      "text": "to the trend you're seeing that you",
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      "text": "that the main way practically that you",
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      "text": "counter that or is it regulation? Is it",
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      "text": "both? Like",
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      "text": ">> No, I actually think probably the most",
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      "text": "I actually think things like the Muse",
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      "text": "important. I mean, I think what you're",
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      "text": ">> Right. So, I think that that is quite",
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      "text": "basically when you have scrutiny on",
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      "text": "like one or two labs get incredibly",
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      "text": "valuable. Um, you know, I think you you",
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      "text": "people can basically have prosperity in",
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      "text": "their own lives, whether it's creating",
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      "text": "small businesses, being more successful",
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      "text": "in their careers, um, being more",
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      "text": "productive and managing their homes,",
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      "text": "saving money in a lot of ways, um, kind",
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      "text": "think you you want the benefits to be",
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      "text": "In terms of the competition, I do think",
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      "text": "that having multiple labs is helpful and",
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      "text": "I think open source is quite helpful for",
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      "text": "source is there's a whole community of",
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      "text": "people who do it. So I'm not saying that",
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      "text": "we're going to be the one company that",
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      "text": "does it. I'm also not like a zealot",
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      "text": "about this from the perspective it's,",
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    {
      "text": "you know, it's not that everything we do",
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      "text": "is open source either, right? We we",
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      "text": "release some open models. We do some",
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      "text": "that you can build some advanced things",
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      "text": "and you don't necessarily need to share",
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      "text": "every single thing with the world. But I",
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      "text": "think in general uh supporting a robust",
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      "text": "open source ecosystem is going to be key",
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      "text": "to maintaining competition and and",
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      "text": "maintaining kind of transparency and",
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      "text": "technology is going in a way that I",
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      "text": "think is actually going to be incredibly",
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      "text": "important for safety. Um you know if we",
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      "text": "have a world where there's just like a",
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      "text": "small number of of really capable models",
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      "text": "um I know just it's it's interesting",
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      "text": "right? Right? I mean if you look at some",
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      "text": "of the cyber stuff for example um the",
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      "text": "instinct which I mean on the one hand I",
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      "text": "I can understand the instinct of like",
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      "text": "all right we have this capable cyber",
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      "text": "model let's release it that only you",
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      "text": "know whatever it is the top hundred",
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      "text": "institutions get it but you I think part",
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      "text": "of the issue is that there's more than",
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      "text": "100 important institutions in the world.",
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      "text": "So you if you look at things like the",
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      "text": "hugging face incident that happened you",
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      "text": "know hugging face is maybe not one of",
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      "text": "the biggest hundred institutions in the",
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      "text": "world but it matters right it's like an",
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      "text": "important thing that people rely on. And",
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      "text": "so what did they do when they started",
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      "text": "detecting that there was this intrusion",
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      "text": "is they turned to open source models",
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      "text": "because they didn't have access to some",
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      "text": "of the closed ones that were causing the",
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      "text": "issues. So um I think that having a",
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      "text": "robust open-source ecosystem is one",
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      "text": "important part of having kind of a safe",
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      "text": "and stable future. But to me the the",
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      "text": "most important thing is just making sure",
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      "text": "that we distribute the technology widely",
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      "text": "rather than hoarding it in a small",
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      "text": "number of people's hands. And I think",
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      "text": "there's also this ongoing debate in",
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      "text": "Silicon Valley about why people feel so",
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      "text": "negatively about AI. I mean, you talk",
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      "text": "about this in your in your recent",
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      "text": "letter, uh, addressing these concerns or",
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    {
      "text": "trying to, but the I mean, the sentiment",
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    {
      "text": "on AI and data centers in particular,",
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    {
      "text": "it's so negative. And it sounds like",
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    {
      "text": "maybe an essence of your argument,",
      "start": 533.36,
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    {
      "text": "correct me if I'm wrong, is if we",
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      "text": "diffuse this technology more, if we",
      "start": 536.24,
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    {
      "text": "enable more people to access the things",
      "start": 538.24,
      "duration": 3.2
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    {
      "text": "that are right now gated",
      "start": 539.92,
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    {
      "text": ">> by some of the top labs, maybe that",
      "start": 541.44,
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      "text": "addresses this kind of I think people",
      "start": 543.68,
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    {
      "text": "feel maybe disenfranchised by what's",
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      "text": "happening in AI. Is that what you're",
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      "text": "getting at?",
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      "text": ">> Well, there are many layers to it. It's",
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    {
      "text": "I mean, I think you there's so many",
      "start": 552.48,
      "duration": 4.32
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    {
      "text": "parts of this is why the essay was so",
      "start": 554.0,
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    {
      "text": "long, right? Like 15 pages because I",
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    {
      "text": "mean we want to get through there are",
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      "duration": 2.24
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    {
      "text": "lots of different questions. I mean,",
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      "duration": 3.12
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    {
      "text": "people have questions about jobs in the",
      "start": 560.72,
      "duration": 3.44
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    {
      "text": "economy. They have questions about data",
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    {
      "text": "centers and their local communities and",
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    {
      "text": "the kind of economic and environmental",
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      "text": "impacts of that. There are questions",
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    {
      "text": "about how people might misuse AI, right?",
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    {
      "text": "I mean, there's the cyber questions.",
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    {
      "text": "There's bio risks that are coming up.",
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    {
      "text": "There are questions about how we",
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    {
      "text": "maintain a free society. There are",
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      "duration": 3.04
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    {
      "text": "questions about American leadership. Um,",
      "start": 579.279,
      "duration": 2.721
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    {
      "text": "there are questions about maintaining",
      "start": 580.8,
      "duration": 3.28
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      "text": "control over the technology as it gets",
      "start": 582.0,
      "duration": 4.56
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    {
      "text": "to be increasingly capable. So, these",
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      "duration": 3.6
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    {
      "text": "are all important. So it's it's",
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      "duration": 3.6
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    {
      "text": "important not to um you know just talk",
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    {
      "text": "about this in generalities at the at a",
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      "text": "high level because I think each of these",
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    {
      "text": "has some different nuances. But in",
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      "text": "general, I think one of the things that",
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      "text": "they all have in common is that if you",
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      "text": "create broad-based prosperity, um, and I",
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      "text": "think that one of the better ways to do",
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      "text": "that is by ensuring that there's the",
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      "text": "right balance of power around who has",
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    {
      "text": "access to the technology and generally",
      "start": 608.64,
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      "text": "making sure that the greatest balance",
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      "text": "goes towards the kind of general",
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      "text": "population of people as opposed to kind",
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      "text": "of any kind of I don't know insider",
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      "text": "stakeholder or whatever you want to call",
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      "text": "it. Um, I think that that ends up being",
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      "text": "very important. So if you look at the",
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      "text": "data centers, I what we've actually",
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    {
      "text": "found is that when a company like Meta",
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      "text": "goes into a community and makes a",
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      "text": "commitment that we're going to invest",
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    {
      "text": "there for decades, right, which is",
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      "text": "really what we're doing when we're",
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      "text": "building up a data center, we're able to",
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      "text": "make it so that it's very good for the",
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    {
      "text": "community. Um I mean the the the kind of",
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      "text": "the tax revenue that they bring uh from",
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      "text": "that. I mean in in Louisiana, we had",
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      "text": "this example where like the tax revenue",
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      "text": "funded these $50,000 bonuses for",
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      "text": "teachers in the community. we we bring a",
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      "text": "lot of jobs. We we invest in the in the",
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      "text": "local community a lot. Um that I think",
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      "text": "can be good. I think that there's",
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      "text": "there's also a lot of speculation,",
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      "text": "right, where there are companies that",
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      "text": "aren't necessarily planning on running a",
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      "text": "data center for decades. They're just,",
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      "text": "you know, trying to find a plot and um",
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      "text": "and then trying to sell it to one of the",
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      "text": "big labs and they don't really care as",
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    {
      "text": "much about the local community and um",
      "start": 672.959,
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    {
      "text": "and they're not invested for the long",
      "start": 675.44,
      "duration": 3.12
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    {
      "text": "term. So if they don't care to, you",
      "start": 676.72,
      "duration": 3.359
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      "text": "know, focus on making it work for the",
      "start": 678.56,
      "duration": 3.519
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    {
      "text": "local community, then of course people",
      "start": 680.079,
      "duration": 4.161
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    {
      "text": "are going to get upset. So I that's one",
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      "text": "of the things that can be um difficult",
      "start": 684.24,
      "duration": 6.8
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    {
      "text": "when you have these kind of speculative",
      "start": 688.32,
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    {
      "text": "um",
      "start": 691.04,
      "duration": 2.32
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      "text": ">> I don't I don't even know if I'd call it",
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      "text": "a bubble because that implies that it's",
      "start": 693.36,
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    {
      "text": "overvalued or something, but but there's",
      "start": 694.88,
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    {
      "text": "certainly a boom, right? So it's so so",
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    {
      "text": "you have that I mean that leads to some",
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    {
      "text": "of these like short-term thinking",
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      "text": "incentives that don't necessarily lead",
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      "text": "towards helping every stakeholder which",
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      "text": "I think is kind of what you need to do",
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      "text": "to make this sustainable over the long",
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      "text": "term. And at the end of the day I mean",
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      "text": "if we're creating a technology that like",
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    {
      "text": "if it doesn't create jobs or doesn't",
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      "duration": 3.599
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    {
      "text": "create broad-based prosperity or the",
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      "duration": 2.721
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      "text": "infrastructure that we're building",
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    {
      "text": "doesn't help local communities that's",
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    {
      "text": "not going to be allowed to continue. So",
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    {
      "text": "it's like it has to of course you have",
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      "text": "to design it in a way that um can be",
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      "text": "helpful to people in all these ways",
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      "text": "which is also part of the reason why",
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      "text": "like for people who are you know",
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      "text": "skeptical or have so much doom about the",
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      "text": "whole thing I'm I mean one of the the",
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      "text": "things that I basically think is that if",
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      "text": "we don't end up building it in a way",
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      "text": "that's positive it just effectively",
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    {
      "text": "won't be able to happen. Um, so I I kind",
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      "text": "of think like the actually establishing",
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      "text": "the right checks and balances um and",
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    {
      "text": "distributing the the benefits of this",
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      "text": "widely is sort of a precondition for",
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      "text": "being able to scale in the way that I",
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    {
      "text": "think um would be best for society over",
      "start": 756.32,
      "duration": 3.44
    },
    {
      "text": "time.",
      "start": 759.36,
      "duration": 2.8
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    {
      "text": ">> I haven't heard another tech in your",
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      "text": "position talk about data centers that",
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    {
      "text": "way, like the long-term investment of",
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    {
      "text": "it. Is this something is this how you've",
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      "text": "always thought about it? Is this",
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      "text": "something you feel like there's more",
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    {
      "text": "clarity that's been brought to it for",
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      "text": "you recently? Like have you Yeah,",
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      "duration": 3.44
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    {
      "text": ">> I mean I think that there's been all",
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      "text": "this anti-data center sentiment that",
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      "text": "you're talking about. So we've dug into",
      "start": 777.68,
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    },
    {
      "text": "it because what we're trying to",
      "start": 779.44,
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      "text": "understand is",
      "start": 781.04,
      "duration": 3.919
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    {
      "text": ">> okay like there isn't as much of that",
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      "text": "around our project. So why is that? And",
      "start": 784.959,
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    {
      "text": "then so we ask a bunch of people. It's",
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      "text": "like well it looks like there's a pretty",
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      "text": "big dichotomy between these speculators",
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      "text": "and the companies that are focused on it",
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      "text": "for the long term. And that kind of",
      "start": 795.12,
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    {
      "text": "makes sense when you think about it. So,",
      "start": 797.44,
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    },
    {
      "text": "I mean, one one thing that we're doing,",
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    {
      "text": "I mean, there's this America's Workforce",
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    {
      "text": "Academy project that we we did, which is",
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      "text": "basically, okay, we're going to build",
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      "text": "all these data centers. We're going to",
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      "duration": 3.76
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    {
      "text": "be doing this for a while. There isn't",
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    },
    {
      "text": "the volume of skilled trades people that",
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      "text": "you need to create this. So, we need",
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      "text": "more like fiber technicians and",
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      "text": "electricians and like advanced carpentry",
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    {
      "text": "and and all of these things. And there",
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    {
      "text": "aren't enough people to do this. We need",
      "start": 819.6,
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    {
      "text": "hundreds of thousands, you know, maybe",
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    {
      "text": "maybe millions of more people who can do",
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    {
      "text": "this. And um people aren't trained to do",
      "start": 824.959,
      "duration": 4.88
    },
    {
      "text": "that right So we created this training",
      "start": 827.68,
      "duration": 5.92
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    {
      "text": "program um to to effectively do that",
      "start": 829.839,
      "duration": 5.761
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    {
      "text": "where we guarantee people who get",
      "start": 833.6,
      "duration": 5.44
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    {
      "text": "through the training program a job at um",
      "start": 835.6,
      "duration": 5.039
    },
    {
      "text": "at at a place that is working on",
      "start": 839.04,
      "duration": 3.359
    },
    {
      "text": "building infrastructure for meta.",
      "start": 840.639,
      "duration": 3.76
    },
    {
      "text": ">> And why did we do this? I mean it's like",
      "start": 842.399,
      "duration": 4.161
    },
    {
      "text": "it's not really philanthropy, right?",
      "start": 844.399,
      "duration": 4.081
    },
    {
      "text": "It's like we need those people to be",
      "start": 846.56,
      "duration": 4.32
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    {
      "text": "skilled and have those skills. So it's",
      "start": 848.48,
      "duration": 4.24
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    {
      "text": "just it's a win-win. It's an investment",
      "start": 850.88,
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    },
    {
      "text": "that I think makes sense if you're in it",
      "start": 852.72,
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    },
    {
      "text": "for decades. um but not necessarily",
      "start": 854.72,
      "duration": 4.239
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    {
      "text": "something that you would do if you were",
      "start": 857.199,
      "duration": 3.76
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    {
      "text": "building out one site with the intent of",
      "start": 858.959,
      "duration": 4.961
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    {
      "text": "flipping it to a different company. So I",
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    {
      "text": "think that a lot of problems in the",
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      "text": "world do just naturally get solved by",
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      "duration": 5.12
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      "text": "incentive alignment when you think about",
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      "duration": 3.439
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    {
      "text": "them over the long term. Um, so I think",
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      "duration": 3.2
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    {
      "text": "that that ends up being an important",
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      "text": "part of this. And I guess part of the",
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      "text": "way that I think about this is that I",
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      "text": "just think that there's no way that it's",
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    {
      "text": "going to be kind of permitted for there",
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      "text": "to be a small number of labs that",
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      "text": "control such a important um and capable",
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      "text": "technology and accumulate a lot of",
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      "duration": 3.84
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    {
      "text": "wealth to themselves. I think it's like",
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      "duration": 4.159
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    {
      "text": "this has to be a broad-based thing in",
      "start": 890.0,
      "duration": 4.56
    },
    {
      "text": "order for it to kind of be able to work.",
      "start": 892.399,
      "duration": 3.761
    },
    {
      "text": "It has to work technologically, but it",
      "start": 894.56,
      "duration": 4.32
    },
    {
      "text": "also has to work um kind of socially.",
      "start": 896.16,
      "duration": 4.88
    },
    {
      "text": "And and I think that those those pieces",
      "start": 898.88,
      "duration": 3.92
    },
    {
      "text": "kind of have to have to go hand in hand.",
      "start": 901.04,
      "duration": 4.0
    },
    {
      "text": ">> I agree. Well, now we're landing towards",
      "start": 902.8,
      "duration": 4.56
    },
    {
      "text": "Amuse. Before we get there, you also",
      "start": 905.04,
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    },
    {
      "text": "wrote a year ago your personal super",
      "start": 907.36,
      "duration": 4.479
    },
    {
      "text": "intelligence essay. Shorter one.",
      "start": 909.6,
      "duration": 3.919
    },
    {
      "text": ">> Uh yeah, that was page. Yeah.",
      "start": 911.839,
      "duration": 3.44
    },
    {
      "text": ">> I did write a one-page version of the",
      "start": 913.519,
      "duration": 3.68
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    {
      "text": "future, too. Yeah. Well, I published it",
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      "duration": 4.56
    },
    {
      "text": "in the Wall Street Journal as",
      "start": 917.199,
      "duration": 3.121
    },
    {
      "text": "that was kind of",
      "start": 919.839,
      "duration": 2.24
    },
    {
      "text": ">> I just read the long one. Okay.",
      "start": 920.32,
      "duration": 3.36
    },
    {
      "text": ">> Yeah. So the onepage version and there's",
      "start": 922.079,
      "duration": 3.841
    },
    {
      "text": "the 15page version. Well, so this one",
      "start": 923.68,
      "duration": 4.0
    },
    {
      "text": "you did about a year ago, personal super",
      "start": 925.92,
      "duration": 3.44
    },
    {
      "text": "intelligence, I think a lot of people in",
      "start": 927.68,
      "duration": 3.04
    },
    {
      "text": "my world when they saw you write that",
      "start": 929.36,
      "duration": 3.36
    },
    {
      "text": "was like, \"Oh, wow. Why is Mark writing",
      "start": 930.72,
      "duration": 4.16
    },
    {
      "text": "this?\" Like, what is the thing he's",
      "start": 932.72,
      "duration": 4.239
    },
    {
      "text": "seeing on the other side of this? And I",
      "start": 934.88,
      "duration": 4.079
    },
    {
      "text": "think it, correct me if I'm wrong, it",
      "start": 936.959,
      "duration": 3.44
    },
    {
      "text": "might be Muse, like what we're going to",
      "start": 938.959,
      "duration": 2.641
    },
    {
      "text": "talk about, right? What you guys are",
      "start": 940.399,
      "duration": 2.481
    },
    {
      "text": "releasing now.",
      "start": 941.6,
      "duration": 3.76
    },
    {
      "text": ">> Um, this is it. So, how did you come to",
      "start": 942.88,
      "duration": 4.24
    },
    {
      "text": "that realization that that's what this",
      "start": 945.36,
      "duration": 3.52
    },
    {
      "text": "is the next chapter for Meta?",
      "start": 947.12,
      "duration": 4.0
    },
    {
      "text": ">> It's interesting. You know, we've never",
      "start": 948.88,
      "duration": 4.399
    },
    {
      "text": "really just thought about ourselves as a",
      "start": 951.12,
      "duration": 3.92
    },
    {
      "text": "social media company. We've definitely",
      "start": 953.279,
      "duration": 4.0
    },
    {
      "text": "thought about ourselves as a company",
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      "duration": 4.0
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      "text": "about connecting people and about",
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      "duration": 3.68
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    {
      "text": "empowering people, but I think a lot of",
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      "duration": 3.76
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    {
      "text": "the values that led us to build the",
      "start": 960.959,
      "duration": 3.361
    },
    {
      "text": "things that we built for the first, you",
      "start": 962.8,
      "duration": 3.599
    },
    {
      "text": "know, 15, 20 years of the company around",
      "start": 964.32,
      "duration": 3.759
    },
    {
      "text": "putting technology and power in",
      "start": 966.399,
      "duration": 5.201
    },
    {
      "text": "individuals hands um believing that",
      "start": 968.079,
      "duration": 5.2
    },
    {
      "text": "people should be able to decide for",
      "start": 971.6,
      "duration": 3.12
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      "text": "themselves what is important in their",
      "start": 973.279,
      "duration": 3.12
    },
    {
      "text": "lives. And we've gone through a lot of",
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      "duration": 3.2
    },
    {
      "text": "social debates around this, right? A lot",
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      "duration": 3.44
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    {
      "text": "of the the the debates around content",
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      "duration": 3.359
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    {
      "text": "moderation and things like this have",
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      "duration": 2.481
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    {
      "text": "kind of been around this question of",
      "start": 981.279,
      "duration": 3.601
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    {
      "text": "like should people be allowed to kind of",
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      "duration": 4.8
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    {
      "text": "decide and communicate for themselves",
      "start": 984.88,
      "duration": 4.959
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    {
      "text": "what matters in their own life. And I",
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      "duration": 5.44
    },
    {
      "text": "think through that experience, it has",
      "start": 989.839,
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    {
      "text": "sort of sharpened my belief that a lot",
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    {
      "text": "of progress throughout history and",
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      "duration": 4.8
    },
    {
      "text": "through this technological age comes",
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    {
      "text": "from empowering individuals and that",
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      "text": "people really do know best about what",
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      "duration": 4.0
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    {
      "text": "matters in their own lives. So because",
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    {
      "text": "of that, I have somewhat of a of an",
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      "text": "allergy whenever I hear people talk",
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      "text": "about, oh, like we should just have a",
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    {
      "text": "small number of experts allocate what AI",
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    {
      "text": "does to like big problems. Why should it",
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      "text": "do like like these things that people",
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      "text": "care about in their lives? Well, people",
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      "text": "have a balance of things they care",
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      "text": "about. People care about health. They",
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    {
      "text": "care about having a better life, but",
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      "text": "they also care about their relationships",
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    {
      "text": "and like showing up for their friends",
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      "duration": 4.319
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    {
      "text": "and family and um they care about",
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      "duration": 4.8
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    {
      "text": "culture. um you know people care about",
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    {
      "text": "things that may not to you know a",
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    {
      "text": "scientist or an engineer in the industry",
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      "text": "feel like the biggest problems but I",
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      "text": "don't know if you ask like billions of",
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    {
      "text": "people what they care about if like you",
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      "duration": 3.681
    },
    {
      "text": "know I think what people's aggregate",
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      "text": "answers to that question is kind of is",
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      "duration": 4.56
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    {
      "text": "what the most important things are to be",
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      "duration": 2.64
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    {
      "text": "worked on",
      "start": 1055.2,
      "duration": 3.12
    },
    {
      "text": ">> and um so I've always just kind of",
      "start": 1056.08,
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    },
    {
      "text": "believed that when you build this super",
      "start": 1058.32,
      "duration": 5.28
    },
    {
      "text": "intelligence",
      "start": 1061.6,
      "duration": 4.48
    },
    {
      "text": ">> there's this question of who decides",
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    {
      "text": "what it's going to focus on and I think",
      "start": 1066.08,
      "duration": 3.839
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    {
      "text": "that people should be able to direct it",
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      "duration": 3.76
    },
    {
      "text": "towards what matters in their own lives.",
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      "duration": 4.241
    },
    {
      "text": "It shouldn't just be directed by you",
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      "duration": 4.96
    },
    {
      "text": "know some like so-called experts um",
      "start": 1074.16,
      "duration": 4.879
    },
    {
      "text": "sitting at a small number of labs. So",
      "start": 1076.96,
      "duration": 4.16
    },
    {
      "text": "this gets back to it's like it's this is",
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      "duration": 4.401
    },
    {
      "text": "basically the foundation of this overall",
      "start": 1081.12,
      "duration": 5.52
    },
    {
      "text": "philosophy which is that the way to have",
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    {
      "text": "a positive future is to empower people",
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      "duration": 4.72
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    {
      "text": "to put the technology in their hands and",
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      "duration": 4.0
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    {
      "text": "let people decide for themselves what",
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    },
    {
      "text": "matters and how they want to use it. And",
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    {
      "text": "I think that when people do that, it",
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    },
    {
      "text": "first of all will prioritize some things",
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      "duration": 4.16
    },
    {
      "text": "that that are different, right? It's um",
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      "duration": 4.8
    },
    {
      "text": "you know, like maybe it'll prioritize um",
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      "duration": 4.799
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    {
      "text": "health issues, but maybe instead of",
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      "duration": 3.599
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    {
      "text": "prioritizing, you know, it's like the",
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      "duration": 3.12
    },
    {
      "text": "most common things, which is kind of",
      "start": 1108.559,
      "duration": 3.921
    },
    {
      "text": "what the the kind of pharma and biotech",
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      "duration": 5.521
    },
    {
      "text": "industry like at large prioritizes",
      "start": 1112.48,
      "duration": 4.48
    },
    {
      "text": "today. Now, it's like there's a very",
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      "duration": 3.119
    },
    {
      "text": "long tale of rare diseases and",
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      "duration": 3.599
    },
    {
      "text": "conditions that people have. So, okay,",
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      "duration": 4.24
    },
    {
      "text": "if you're if you have if you have a rare",
      "start": 1120.559,
      "duration": 3.441
    },
    {
      "text": "condition, like you're probably going to",
      "start": 1122.799,
      "duration": 3.12
    },
    {
      "text": "want your personal AI to focus on that,",
      "start": 1124.0,
      "duration": 3.52
    },
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      "text": "not like just something else just",
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      "text": "because it happens to be the most common",
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      "text": "diseases, I think, are under",
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      "text": "disproportionately underinvested in. Um,",
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      "text": ">> you're doing a lot of investment with",
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      "text": "your foundation.",
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      "text": ">> We're doing that at Biohub, but but I I",
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      "text": "mean, and that's partially informed some",
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      "text": "of my views here",
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      "text": ">> that I think like yeah, like you want to",
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      "text": "necessarily the things that people would",
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      "text": "say are like the big social problems.",
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      "text": "Like a lot of it for me, you know, when",
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      "text": "friends and, you know, be able to um",
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      "text": "think is also partially a through line",
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      "text": "between the work that we've done at Meta",
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      "text": "so far and this is I think we're the",
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      "text": "company that I think just",
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      "text": "disproportionately cares about and",
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      "text": "believes that there's social value in um",
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      "text": "in helping people connect with the",
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      "text": "people around them. So I don't know it's",
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      "text": "like what are the first things that I",
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      "text": "do? It's like all right my",
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      "text": "three-year-old daughter likes baking. I",
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      "text": "don't know anything about baking but",
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      "text": "like that's like a a fun project that we",
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      "text": "can do. So I basically asked him I'm",
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      "text": "weekend um you know like we have a",
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      "text": "baking project that is um that is uh",
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      "text": "kind of reasonable for a three-year-old",
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      "text": "baking and um and use Instacart or",
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      "text": "whatever to go get all the ingredients",
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      "text": "like just figure out what makes sense",
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      "text": "and make sure everything is ready so",
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      "text": "that way like when I show up on, you",
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      "text": "know, on Sunday with u with my daughter,",
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    {
      "text": "we can like go make this thing and Um,",
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      "duration": 3.44
    },
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      "text": "and then I tell it afterwards. I'm like,",
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      "text": "\"How how did it go?\" \"Okay, that one was",
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      "text": "too hard.\" Turns out cake pops really",
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      "text": "difficult. Surprisingly difficult. Um,",
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      "duration": 4.08
    },
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      "text": ">> nothing about baking.",
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      "text": ">> Yeah, I didn't either. I I know I know",
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      "text": "something. Yeah, cake. No, no, don't",
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      "text": "start with cake pops. That's That's the",
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      "text": "problem.",
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    {
      "text": ">> Um, yeah. No, there's a lot of things in",
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      "text": "baking that are pretty simple.",
      "start": 1242.32,
      "duration": 3.599
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    {
      "text": ">> It turns out cake pops is not one of",
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      "duration": 3.599
    },
    {
      "text": "them. But, um, yeah. Well, you know,",
      "start": 1245.919,
      "duration": 3.041
    },
    {
      "text": "what can I tell you?",
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      "duration": 1.361
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    {
      "text": ">> Um,",
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      "duration": 1.36
    },
    {
      "text": ">> thank you, Muse.",
      "start": 1249.28,
      "duration": 3.68
    },
    {
      "text": ">> Yeah. Yeah. Thanks. Um, so yeah, it kind",
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    {
      "text": "of like so it kind of updates that um",
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      "duration": 5.44
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    {
      "text": "and and helps with that. Um, you know,",
      "start": 1256.0,
      "duration": 4.48
    },
    {
      "text": "my you know, my older daughter has kind",
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      "duration": 4.08
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    {
      "text": "of gotten into climbing mountains and",
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      "text": "some of them you need permits for. So I",
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      "text": "have it basically like sit and get the",
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      "text": "permits when they become available so we",
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      "text": "can climb mountains.",
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      "duration": 3.201
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    {
      "text": ">> And um I was just like pretty neat.",
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      "duration": 3.6
    },
    {
      "text": "Okay, so then like we do that and it",
      "start": 1271.36,
      "duration": 2.72
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    {
      "text": "basically tells me it's like all right,",
      "start": 1272.88,
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    {
      "text": "I was able to get a permit for this day.",
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      "duration": 3.12
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    {
      "text": ">> And I was like all right, well I guess",
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    {
      "text": "I'm taking that day off from work to go",
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    {
      "text": "climb a mountain with my daughter. So,",
      "start": 1278.559,
      "duration": 2.881
    },
    {
      "text": "it's kind of cool,",
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      "duration": 3.841
    },
    {
      "text": ">> right? It's So, it does that, you know,",
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      "duration": 4.4
    },
    {
      "text": "but it also helps keep me healthy. It",
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      "duration": 3.44
    },
    {
      "text": "helps me with my training.",
      "start": 1285.84,
      "duration": 4.48
    },
    {
      "text": ">> Um, you I put cameras up in my in my MMA",
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      "duration": 5.04
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    {
      "text": "gym and I tell it to watch the cameras",
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      "text": "and send me feedback and it's like it's",
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    {
      "text": "pretty fun. You know, it's good.",
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      "duration": 2.0
    },
    {
      "text": ">> It's good feedback.",
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      "duration": 2.481
    },
    {
      "text": ">> Um, sometimes, you know, it's I mean,",
      "start": 1297.039,
      "duration": 3.441
    },
    {
      "text": "it's um sometimes it's funny feedback.",
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      "duration": 4.32
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    {
      "text": "It like it like finds me in",
      "start": 1300.48,
      "duration": 4.0
    },
    {
      "text": ">> it's just like it looks like you really",
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    {
      "text": "gave up and and I was like, \"Yeah, I",
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    {
      "text": "did. I was really tired right there.\"",
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    },
    {
      "text": "[laughter] It's like, why is that the",
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    {
      "text": "thing that you're pointing out to me?",
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    {
      "text": "Um, but no, [snorts] it's good. Um, and",
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    {
      "text": "it's funny like the coaches like laugh",
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      "duration": 3.439
    },
    {
      "text": "about it. They're like, yeah, no, this",
      "start": 1314.32,
      "duration": 1.76
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    {
      "text": "is like",
      "start": 1315.679,
      "duration": 1.841
    },
    {
      "text": ">> this is what we didn't feel like we",
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    {
      "text": "could tell you, but your agent's telling",
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      "text": "you. [laughter]",
      "start": 1318.88,
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    {
      "text": ">> Yeah. Well, it's um Yeah, that's good.",
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      "duration": 3.84
    },
    {
      "text": ">> I didn't think about this until hearing",
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    {
      "text": "you talk about it, but you you have",
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    {
      "text": "people that could obviously do all this",
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    {
      "text": "for you, but like how do you use",
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      "text": "something like Amuse Agent to like",
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    {
      "text": "really test the limits of like how it",
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    },
    {
      "text": "can be helpful as an assistant, right?",
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    },
    {
      "text": "Yeah. like like are you were you pushing",
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    {
      "text": "it like how have you pushed it in a way",
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      "text": "that the team is like oh okay we got to",
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    {
      "text": "got to fix this or I'm sure",
      "start": 1340.88,
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    },
    {
      "text": ">> part of what's interesting about it",
      "start": 1343.6,
      "duration": 4.24
    },
    {
      "text": ">> is that everyone just has like such",
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      "duration": 4.16
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    {
      "text": "different things that they want to do",
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      "duration": 4.24
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    {
      "text": "with it. So like in the early beta",
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      "text": "period, we handed it to a bunch of",
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    {
      "text": "people and like it's like I gave it to",
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      "text": "someone and like within a day they're",
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      "text": "like using it to help run their home",
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    {
      "text": "school and then like it's like okay wow",
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    {
      "text": "you just like started this within a day",
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    {
      "text": "and then like another person within a",
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    {
      "text": "day or within 12 hours they're like I",
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      "text": "just planned a trip. Um yeah and it's",
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    {
      "text": "like it it just like planned this whole",
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    {
      "text": "thing for me. Yeah. Yeah. I mean,",
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    {
      "text": "someone else I know who's like generally",
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    {
      "text": "pretty skeptical about technology, I I",
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    {
      "text": "gave it to her and then she was um she",
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      "duration": 4.08
    },
    {
      "text": "didn't say anything for like a few days.",
      "start": 1378.24,
      "duration": 3.36
    },
    {
      "text": "Then she texted me and was like, \"So,",
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    {
      "text": "when you do like the general release, do",
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      "text": "I get to keep my Muse agent or you going",
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    {
      "text": "to reset it?\" I was like, \"All right,",
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      "text": "this is good. This is Yeah, I think it's",
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    },
    {
      "text": "like I think this is working well.\"",
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      "duration": 3.12
    },
    {
      "text": ">> Everyone I know who's been on the beta",
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    },
    {
      "text": "has very, you know, high things to say",
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      "duration": 3.52
    },
    {
      "text": "about it. High praise. Um",
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      "duration": 2.801
    },
    {
      "text": ">> but people do different things with it.",
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      "duration": 3.039
    },
    {
      "text": ">> Yeah. And I think we should just also",
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      "text": "say what it is more plainly for people",
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      "text": "so they understand because I think",
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      "text": "people think of AI as like you know met",
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      "text": "AI or chatbt it's like back and forth",
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      "text": "prompting the the real unlock here and",
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      "duration": 3.919
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    {
      "text": "this is happening in the industry more",
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    {
      "text": "broadly whether it's Grockbot town",
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    {
      "text": "instinct I mean there's many products",
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    {
      "text": "doing this but it's it's adding a",
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      "text": "virtual machine behind the scenes where",
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    {
      "text": "like the agent can control a computer",
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    {
      "text": "for you and log in and do things and",
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    {
      "text": "that's a that's a huge change I think",
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    {
      "text": "for people who only know AI for",
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      "duration": 4.721
    },
    {
      "text": ">> and it's it's longived. So it's um so",
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      "duration": 6.24
    },
    {
      "text": "basically instead of the model with like",
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      "text": "Meta AI or ChatGpt or Gemini or whatever",
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      "text": "you use where you send one prompt and",
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      "text": "then it gives an answer in this case",
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      "text": "what you basically do is you give it",
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      "text": "projects or you give it goals",
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      "duration": 4.88
    },
    {
      "text": ">> and then it just works and it works 24/7",
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    },
    {
      "text": "and it like doesn't stop until it's",
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    {
      "text": "helped achieve the goals.",
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      "duration": 2.319
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    {
      "text": ">> Team was telling me it studies overnight",
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      "duration": 3.04
    },
    {
      "text": "is what you guys call it. Oh yeah, it",
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      "text": "studies it like it kind of consolidates",
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      "text": "its reflections into into memory. It it",
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      "text": "basically just works on projects and it",
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      "text": "can also suggest new projects. So yeah,",
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      "duration": 5.76
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    {
      "text": "I mean I was like I like play the",
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      "text": "computer game Civilization with one of",
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    {
      "text": "my daughters and I like I was like,",
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    {
      "text": "\"Hey, do you want to make like a",
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    {
      "text": "strategy guide for her?\" I was like,",
      "start": 1471.679,
      "duration": 3.36
    },
    {
      "text": "\"Yeah, sure.\" So I was like, \"Okay, um,",
      "start": 1473.039,
      "duration": 3.841
    },
    {
      "text": "now that we have the strategy guide, do",
      "start": 1475.039,
      "duration": 4.24
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    {
      "text": "you want me to like expand the strategy",
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      "duration": 4.399
    },
    {
      "text": "guide so it can also teach historical",
      "start": 1479.279,
      "duration": 4.0
    },
    {
      "text": "lessons about different civilizations?\"",
      "start": 1481.279,
      "duration": 4.241
    },
    {
      "text": "I was like, \"Yeah, sure. Why not?\" So it",
      "start": 1483.279,
      "duration": 3.52
    },
    {
      "text": "so it just kind of like built a new tab",
      "start": 1485.52,
      "duration": 3.84
    },
    {
      "text": "and and the app that it made and um that",
      "start": 1486.799,
      "duration": 4.24
    },
    {
      "text": "would that was that was very cool. So it",
      "start": 1489.36,
      "duration": 3.12
    },
    {
      "text": "can kind of just like expand and",
      "start": 1491.039,
      "duration": 2.24
    },
    {
      "text": ">> it's proactive.",
      "start": 1492.48,
      "duration": 2.96
    },
    {
      "text": ">> Yeah. It suggests things. I mean, one of",
      "start": 1493.279,
      "duration": 3.841
    },
    {
      "text": "the things that I think is interesting",
      "start": 1495.44,
      "duration": 4.479
    },
    {
      "text": "is that it um I think is just going to",
      "start": 1497.12,
      "duration": 4.4
    },
    {
      "text": "be able to like make people money and",
      "start": 1499.919,
      "duration": 2.401
    },
    {
      "text": "save people money.",
      "start": 1501.52,
      "duration": 1.279
    },
    {
      "text": ">> You think?",
      "start": 1502.32,
      "duration": 2.479
    },
    {
      "text": ">> Yeah. I mean, part of the part of what's",
      "start": 1502.799,
      "duration": 3.921
    },
    {
      "text": "interesting here is the economic model",
      "start": 1504.799,
      "duration": 3.841
    },
    {
      "text": "for how we're pricing it. I mean, you",
      "start": 1506.72,
      "duration": 3.439
    },
    {
      "text": "you can pay for a subscription if you",
      "start": 1508.64,
      "duration": 3.2
    },
    {
      "text": "want to if you basically kind of want to",
      "start": 1510.159,
      "duration": 4.561
    },
    {
      "text": "have that that model, but we're also",
      "start": 1511.84,
      "duration": 4.719
    },
    {
      "text": "just making it so that you can get a",
      "start": 1514.72,
      "duration": 4.16
    },
    {
      "text": "very large amount of usage for free. I",
      "start": 1516.559,
      "duration": 3.6
    },
    {
      "text": "think we're we're offering something I",
      "start": 1518.88,
      "duration": 2.96
    },
    {
      "text": "think to start it's like 100 million",
      "start": 1520.159,
      "duration": 4.321
    },
    {
      "text": "tokens a week for for free like and and",
      "start": 1521.84,
      "duration": 4.88
    },
    {
      "text": "you get this virtual machine. So, it's",
      "start": 1524.48,
      "duration": 4.4
    },
    {
      "text": "like a lot of kind of computer.",
      "start": 1526.72,
      "duration": 3.28
    },
    {
      "text": ">> That's a good meme. It's a lot of",
      "start": 1528.88,
      "duration": 1.44
    },
    {
      "text": "computer.",
      "start": 1530.0,
      "duration": 2.799
    },
    {
      "text": ">> It's a lot of computer. Yeah. But the",
      "start": 1530.32,
      "duration": 4.32
    },
    {
      "text": "reason for why we're doing this is we",
      "start": 1532.799,
      "duration": 3.521
    },
    {
      "text": "basically are confident in standing",
      "start": 1534.64,
      "duration": 3.68
    },
    {
      "text": "behind the fact that we think that this",
      "start": 1536.32,
      "duration": 4.479
    },
    {
      "text": "is going to effectively for people who",
      "start": 1538.32,
      "duration": 4.0
    },
    {
      "text": "are going to use it for running a small",
      "start": 1540.799,
      "duration": 4.24
    },
    {
      "text": "business or making money or transactions",
      "start": 1542.32,
      "duration": 4.64
    },
    {
      "text": "or commerce in some way. We actually",
      "start": 1545.039,
      "duration": 3.041
    },
    {
      "text": "just think it's going to make so much",
      "start": 1546.96,
      "duration": 3.76
    },
    {
      "text": "money for people that um that the",
      "start": 1548.08,
      "duration": 4.479
    },
    {
      "text": "business model over time that we expect",
      "start": 1550.72,
      "duration": 4.72
    },
    {
      "text": "is to effectively just take a very small",
      "start": 1552.559,
      "duration": 5.521
    },
    {
      "text": "cut of whatever the transaction is um",
      "start": 1555.44,
      "duration": 4.479
    },
    {
      "text": ">> take great business small. Yeah.",
      "start": 1558.08,
      "duration": 3.12
    },
    {
      "text": ">> Yeah. and not even necessarily the",
      "start": 1559.919,
      "duration": 2.481
    },
    {
      "text": "person paying for it. It'll come from",
      "start": 1561.2,
      "duration": 2.32
    },
    {
      "text": "the businesses that they're working",
      "start": 1562.4,
      "duration": 2.32
    },
    {
      "text": "with. But um",
      "start": 1563.52,
      "duration": 2.56
    },
    {
      "text": ">> and you're working with Stripe on",
      "start": 1564.72,
      "duration": 3.04
    },
    {
      "text": "payments and Yeah.",
      "start": 1566.08,
      "duration": 3.839
    },
    {
      "text": ">> Yeah. So, but my view is like we should",
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      "duration": 5.12
    },
    {
      "text": "be able to have a service that you make",
      "start": 1569.919,
      "duration": 5.601
    },
    {
      "text": "free for the vast vast majority of",
      "start": 1572.88,
      "duration": 5.279
    },
    {
      "text": "people. Um which again is critical if",
      "start": 1575.52,
      "duration": 4.159
    },
    {
      "text": "you want to build a this future for",
      "start": 1578.159,
      "duration": 4.161
    },
    {
      "text": "everyone where everyone has um has these",
      "start": 1579.679,
      "duration": 5.041
    },
    {
      "text": "powerful super intelligence agents. Um I",
      "start": 1582.32,
      "duration": 3.599
    },
    {
      "text": "think an important part of making",
      "start": 1584.72,
      "duration": 2.4
    },
    {
      "text": "something available to everyone is",
      "start": 1585.919,
      "duration": 3.12
    },
    {
      "text": "making it affordable. So we want to make",
      "start": 1587.12,
      "duration": 3.76
    },
    {
      "text": "it so this is free. So there's this just",
      "start": 1589.039,
      "duration": 3.201
    },
    {
      "text": "this huge amount of usage that you get",
      "start": 1590.88,
      "duration": 2.88
    },
    {
      "text": "and we're basically just standing behind",
      "start": 1592.24,
      "duration": 3.36
    },
    {
      "text": "that and saying we think that this thing",
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      "duration": 3.6
    },
    {
      "text": "is actually going to make you money and",
      "start": 1595.6,
      "duration": 4.16
    },
    {
      "text": "save you money and that is how you're",
      "start": 1597.36,
      "duration": 3.679
    },
    {
      "text": "it's going to pay for itself.",
      "start": 1599.76,
      "duration": 3.76
    },
    {
      "text": ">> And meta services can connect into it",
      "start": 1601.039,
      "duration": 4.24
    },
    {
      "text": "right so you could theoretically manage",
      "start": 1603.52,
      "duration": 4.96
    },
    {
      "text": "your ad spend on Instagram all that",
      "start": 1605.279,
      "duration": 3.52
    },
    {
      "text": "stuff.",
      "start": 1608.48,
      "duration": 1.92
    },
    {
      "text": ">> Well you have to you connect it you you",
      "start": 1608.799,
      "duration": 2.88
    },
    {
      "text": "can connect it to whatever you want. You",
      "start": 1610.4,
      "duration": 3.12
    },
    {
      "text": "know it does work with meta services if",
      "start": 1611.679,
      "duration": 3.201
    },
    {
      "text": "you want. You obviously don't have to",
      "start": 1613.52,
      "duration": 3.039
    },
    {
      "text": "connect it if you don't want to. Sorry",
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      "duration": 4.72
    },
    {
      "text": "if you're using it to to run a business.",
      "start": 1616.559,
      "duration": 4.72
    },
    {
      "text": "It can basically just connect to our ad",
      "start": 1619.6,
      "duration": 4.48
    },
    {
      "text": "systems and you can ask it to to make",
      "start": 1621.279,
      "duration": 4.721
    },
    {
      "text": "something for you. It can it can kind of",
      "start": 1624.08,
      "duration": 3.199
    },
    {
      "text": "help you make the product and then it",
      "start": 1626.0,
      "duration": 3.6
    },
    {
      "text": "can help run the business. So um so all",
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      "duration": 3.601
    },
    {
      "text": "this stuff and it can just do that in a",
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      "duration": 3.199
    },
    {
      "text": "loop and just do it forever for you know",
      "start": 1630.88,
      "duration": 5.44
    },
    {
      "text": "247. So, and every time we release a new",
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      "duration": 4.88
    },
    {
      "text": "model, which you know, we've been on",
      "start": 1636.32,
      "duration": 3.839
    },
    {
      "text": "this cadence of shipping a, you know,",
      "start": 1637.679,
      "duration": 4.24
    },
    {
      "text": "meaningful update like every month, it's",
      "start": 1640.159,
      "duration": 3.281
    },
    {
      "text": "just going to get smarter, right? Just",
      "start": 1641.919,
      "duration": 3.281
    },
    {
      "text": "and get more capable and and able to do",
      "start": 1643.44,
      "duration": 2.64
    },
    {
      "text": "more and more stuff.",
      "start": 1645.2,
      "duration": 2.24
    },
    {
      "text": ">> And something your team was telling me",
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      "duration": 3.12
    },
    {
      "text": "that I haven't heard this approach used",
      "start": 1647.44,
      "duration": 3.76
    },
    {
      "text": "elsewhere is this fleet concept where",
      "start": 1649.2,
      "duration": 4.079
    },
    {
      "text": "you're letting the fleet of Muse agents",
      "start": 1651.2,
      "duration": 3.599
    },
    {
      "text": "learn Yeah. together.",
      "start": 1653.279,
      "duration": 2.801
    },
    {
      "text": ">> That was the ideas and suggestions",
      "start": 1654.799,
      "duration": 3.12
    },
    {
      "text": "thing. So, you open up the app,",
      "start": 1656.08,
      "duration": 5.76
    },
    {
      "text": ">> the main tab is basically your chat with",
      "start": 1657.919,
      "duration": 6.321
    },
    {
      "text": "um with your Muse. there's a tab for",
      "start": 1661.84,
      "duration": 4.48
    },
    {
      "text": "basically ideas",
      "start": 1664.24,
      "duration": 3.76
    },
    {
      "text": "from the things that you've told it how",
      "start": 1666.32,
      "duration": 3.52
    },
    {
      "text": "it can expand those. So that's the thing",
      "start": 1668.0,
      "duration": 3.279
    },
    {
      "text": "that I was saying which is you know",
      "start": 1669.84,
      "duration": 2.88
    },
    {
      "text": "first it helped make the strategy guide",
      "start": 1671.279,
      "duration": 2.64
    },
    {
      "text": "for playing civilization with my",
      "start": 1672.72,
      "duration": 2.72
    },
    {
      "text": "daughter then it helped expand that into",
      "start": 1673.919,
      "duration": 2.88
    },
    {
      "text": "historical lessons that was it came up",
      "start": 1675.44,
      "duration": 2.88
    },
    {
      "text": "with that idea and then I was just like",
      "start": 1676.799,
      "duration": 2.641
    },
    {
      "text": "yeah sure do it right.",
      "start": 1678.32,
      "duration": 2.0
    },
    {
      "text": ">> Um",
      "start": 1679.44,
      "duration": 2.8
    },
    {
      "text": ">> and it it finds all these ways to",
      "start": 1680.32,
      "duration": 3.44
    },
    {
      "text": "basically augment itself. I mean the",
      "start": 1682.24,
      "duration": 5.2
    },
    {
      "text": "like MMA like coaching thing it like",
      "start": 1683.76,
      "duration": 5.36
    },
    {
      "text": "comes up with ideas for how to make it",
      "start": 1687.44,
      "duration": 3.359
    },
    {
      "text": "better. It's like, would you like me to",
      "start": 1689.12,
      "duration": 4.32
    },
    {
      "text": "like get better at um finding the right",
      "start": 1690.799,
      "duration": 3.841
    },
    {
      "text": "frame to send to you? It's like, yeah,",
      "start": 1693.44,
      "duration": 4.32
    },
    {
      "text": "good go do that. So, yeah, the the ideas",
      "start": 1694.64,
      "duration": 4.48
    },
    {
      "text": "thing I think is important because then",
      "start": 1697.76,
      "duration": 3.279
    },
    {
      "text": "you basically across the fleet can find",
      "start": 1699.12,
      "duration": 3.12
    },
    {
      "text": "people who are interested in different",
      "start": 1701.039,
      "duration": 3.36
    },
    {
      "text": "things. I I think I I guess taking a",
      "start": 1702.24,
      "duration": 4.0
    },
    {
      "text": "step back, one of the big issues that I",
      "start": 1704.399,
      "duration": 3.841
    },
    {
      "text": "think exists with AI is a lot of people",
      "start": 1706.24,
      "duration": 3.679
    },
    {
      "text": "don't know what to do with it. Yeah. So",
      "start": 1708.24,
      "duration": 3.919
    },
    {
      "text": "I think if if the if the agent can",
      "start": 1709.919,
      "duration": 5.041
    },
    {
      "text": "itself help you suggest things that it",
      "start": 1712.159,
      "duration": 5.601
    },
    {
      "text": "can do to be helpful for you, then that",
      "start": 1714.96,
      "duration": 5.199
    },
    {
      "text": "solves a huge part of this problem of",
      "start": 1717.76,
      "duration": 5.279
    },
    {
      "text": "making it so that um you can get the",
      "start": 1720.159,
      "duration": 3.52
    },
    {
      "text": "most out of it.",
      "start": 1723.039,
      "duration": 2.64
    },
    {
      "text": ">> When you're introducing like network",
      "start": 1723.679,
      "duration": 4.161
    },
    {
      "text": "effect learning for agents, which no",
      "start": 1725.679,
      "duration": 4.321
    },
    {
      "text": "one's really done, where basically the",
      "start": 1727.84,
      "duration": 4.719
    },
    {
      "text": "agents are learning anonymized insights",
      "start": 1730.0,
      "duration": 4.559
    },
    {
      "text": "from the rest of the fleet.",
      "start": 1732.559,
      "duration": 3.36
    },
    {
      "text": ">> And I mean, you're like the king of",
      "start": 1734.559,
      "duration": 3.281
    },
    {
      "text": "network effects. like I I'm I'm really",
      "start": 1735.919,
      "duration": 3.601
    },
    {
      "text": "interested in this idea cuz I don't",
      "start": 1737.84,
      "duration": 2.88
    },
    {
      "text": "think anyone's doing this.",
      "start": 1739.52,
      "duration": 3.68
    },
    {
      "text": ">> Yeah. No, I think that right now I think",
      "start": 1740.72,
      "duration": 4.8
    },
    {
      "text": "most of the industry is thinking about",
      "start": 1743.2,
      "duration": 5.28
    },
    {
      "text": "agents as like a single player game,",
      "start": 1745.52,
      "duration": 4.399
    },
    {
      "text": ">> right? It's like you have your agent and",
      "start": 1748.48,
      "duration": 3.679
    },
    {
      "text": "and you use it. And there are going to",
      "start": 1749.919,
      "duration": 3.76
    },
    {
      "text": "be all these interesting things that",
      "start": 1752.159,
      "duration": 3.76
    },
    {
      "text": "basically you can do by having the",
      "start": 1753.679,
      "duration": 3.761
    },
    {
      "text": "agents interact with each other. And we",
      "start": 1755.919,
      "duration": 2.561
    },
    {
      "text": "already have all these interesting",
      "start": 1757.44,
      "duration": 2.8
    },
    {
      "text": "examples internally where you know",
      "start": 1758.48,
      "duration": 3.04
    },
    {
      "text": "people have their agents interacting",
      "start": 1760.24,
      "duration": 3.36
    },
    {
      "text": "with each other. This isn't like for the",
      "start": 1761.52,
      "duration": 3.519
    },
    {
      "text": "most part rolling out in this release,",
      "start": 1763.6,
      "duration": 3.36
    },
    {
      "text": "but it's it's going to be like an",
      "start": 1765.039,
      "duration": 4.401
    },
    {
      "text": "important part of how um I think this",
      "start": 1766.96,
      "duration": 4.8
    },
    {
      "text": "works over time is just",
      "start": 1769.44,
      "duration": 4.56
    },
    {
      "text": ">> like as more of the people who you know",
      "start": 1771.76,
      "duration": 3.84
    },
    {
      "text": "start using Muse, it just gets better,",
      "start": 1774.0,
      "duration": 2.399
    },
    {
      "text": "right?",
      "start": 1775.6,
      "duration": 3.92
    },
    {
      "text": ">> And is that the differentiator as you",
      "start": 1776.399,
      "duration": 4.961
    },
    {
      "text": "know you could buy the idea models",
      "start": 1779.52,
      "duration": 3.36
    },
    {
      "text": "continue to like commodify at the",
      "start": 1781.36,
      "duration": 4.24
    },
    {
      "text": "frontier essentially or you know the",
      "start": 1782.88,
      "duration": 4.0
    },
    {
      "text": "products all start to look similar",
      "start": 1785.6,
      "duration": 2.799
    },
    {
      "text": "similar kinds of harnesses. Is the",
      "start": 1786.88,
      "duration": 3.039
    },
    {
      "text": "network effects of that learning the",
      "start": 1788.399,
      "duration": 3.921
    },
    {
      "text": "real edge? Well, I think that there's a",
      "start": 1789.919,
      "duration": 4.561
    },
    {
      "text": "few things that are that are kind of",
      "start": 1792.32,
      "duration": 3.76
    },
    {
      "text": "unique that we're doing. One is we're",
      "start": 1794.48,
      "duration": 3.28
    },
    {
      "text": "designing the models from the ground up,",
      "start": 1796.08,
      "duration": 3.92
    },
    {
      "text": "right, to uh to basically be good for",
      "start": 1797.76,
      "duration": 3.6
    },
    {
      "text": "this use case, which I think really",
      "start": 1800.0,
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    {
      "text": "matters. Two is um is basically I do",
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    {
      "text": "think we have this social DNA as a",
      "start": 1805.279,
      "duration": 5.041
    },
    {
      "text": "company. We're helping people use the AI",
      "start": 1806.96,
      "duration": 5.839
    },
    {
      "text": "and agent to like enhance their",
      "start": 1810.32,
      "duration": 4.64
    },
    {
      "text": "relationships and strengthen your",
      "start": 1812.799,
      "duration": 3.681
    },
    {
      "text": "relationships and get more out of like",
      "start": 1814.96,
      "duration": 3.52
    },
    {
      "text": "kind of the the soft but very important",
      "start": 1816.48,
      "duration": 3.28
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    {
      "text": "parts of your life. I think that that's",
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      "duration": 2.559
    },
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      "text": "something that we're probably just going",
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      "text": "than any of the other labs.",
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      "text": "it might be surprising to some people is",
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      "text": "amount. And you know, part of the view",
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      "text": "for this to be useful, it needs to not",
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      "text": "just have state-of-the-art intelligence.",
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    {
      "text": "it needs to really understand you,",
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      "duration": 2.721
    },
    {
      "text": "right? So, in order to be able to",
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    {
      "text": "understand your goals, so you end up",
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    {
      "text": "connecting it to all this stuff, right?",
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    },
    {
      "text": "You you talked about, you know,",
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      "duration": 3.28
    },
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      "text": "connecting to your your ad system, but",
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    {
      "text": "people connected to messaging and email",
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    {
      "text": "and all this all this stuff um health",
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      "duration": 4.32
    },
    {
      "text": "information, whatever. And um in order",
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    },
    {
      "text": "to do that,",
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      "duration": 4.56
    },
    {
      "text": ">> people need to have a very high degree",
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    },
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      "text": "of confidence in the system. Yeah. Now",
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    },
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      "text": "the good news here is that you know Meta",
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      "text": "has spent at this point more than 10",
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      "text": "years focusing on building WhatsApp into",
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      "text": "I think like it is the largest",
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      "text": "like global end encrypted system and",
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      "text": "we've designed it in a way where even",
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    {
      "text": "Meta can't see the messages that people",
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      "text": "send and that's been this just really",
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      "text": "transformative thing. I think it makes",
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      "text": "it so that people trust WhatsApp. It's",
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    {
      "text": "also been a very important lesson for",
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    {
      "text": "Meta to learn that like that has been",
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      "text": "really important to our success with",
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      "text": "WhatsApp that we've designed the systems",
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      "text": "that even we can't see the content. That",
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      "text": "means that whatever people are worried",
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      "text": "about, if they're worried about um you",
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    {
      "text": "know government getting access to it, a",
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      "duration": 3.12
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      "text": "hacker getting access to it, someone at",
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      "text": "Meta doing something bad with it that",
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      "text": "they don't want, um all that stuff you",
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      "text": "can kind of take off the table if you",
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      "text": "design the system so that you can't see",
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    {
      "text": "it. So we took that as one of the",
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      "text": "foundational lessons when we were",
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    {
      "text": "getting started with this. Nat and I",
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    {
      "text": "actually, you know, personally recruited",
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    },
    {
      "text": "Moxy Marlin Spike,",
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      "duration": 2.16
    },
    {
      "text": ">> founder of Signal.",
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      "duration": 2.64
    },
    {
      "text": ">> Yeah. And one of the person, one of the",
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      "duration": 4.0
    },
    {
      "text": "people who helped us build WhatsApp",
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    },
    {
      "text": "encryption back in the day back in 2014.",
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    },
    {
      "text": ">> He joined to specifically work on this",
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    },
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      "text": "confidential VM project which makes it",
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      "duration": 6.24
    },
    {
      "text": "so that we can you can have your virtual",
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    {
      "text": "machine and have all this information in",
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    {
      "text": "your muse and we can make the commitment",
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      "duration": 4.799
    },
    {
      "text": "that even Meta cannot see the content",
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      "duration": 3.52
    },
    {
      "text": "that is in there. And you can do this",
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      "text": "technically like",
      "start": 1957.36,
      "duration": 2.96
    },
    {
      "text": ">> it's it's a it's like an incredible kind",
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      "duration": 2.24
    },
    {
      "text": "of",
      "start": 1960.32,
      "duration": 1.599
    },
    {
      "text": ">> like the commitment can be technically",
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    },
    {
      "text": "verified and yeah",
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      "duration": 2.48
    },
    {
      "text": ">> so so that and that's something that",
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      "duration": 2.64
    },
    {
      "text": "we're going to publish more about in the",
      "start": 1964.399,
      "duration": 4.721
    },
    {
      "text": "coming weeks um as as we as we basically",
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    },
    {
      "text": "get get closer to rolling this out a lot",
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      "duration": 3.36
    },
    {
      "text": "more widely um",
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      "duration": 3.52
    },
    {
      "text": ">> and of out of all these early VM efforts",
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      "duration": 3.439
    },
    {
      "text": "that these labs are doing with these",
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      "duration": 2.96
    },
    {
      "text": "agents you think this is unique what",
      "start": 1975.919,
      "duration": 2.48
    },
    {
      "text": "you're doing",
      "start": 1977.519,
      "duration": 1.681
    },
    {
      "text": ">> I don't think anyone is doing",
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      "duration": 2.16
    },
    {
      "text": ">> I don't think anyone's doing it I mean I",
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      "duration": 2.319
    },
    {
      "text": "think that there's",
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      "duration": 3.041
    },
    {
      "text": ">> I mean there's a lot of other security",
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      "duration": 3.361
    },
    {
      "text": "measures that we're putting in place",
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      "duration": 3.6
    },
    {
      "text": "that I think are we should talk through",
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      "duration": 4.159
    },
    {
      "text": "um because I mean you know even before",
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    {
      "text": "this is ready like there's there's that",
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      "duration": 2.561
    },
    {
      "text": "and even people who don't want to use",
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      "duration": 2.881
    },
    {
      "text": "this there's it's like incredibly secure",
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      "duration": 3.12
    },
    {
      "text": "because we focused on this from the",
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      "duration": 2.0
    },
    {
      "text": "beginning",
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      "duration": 1.6
    },
    {
      "text": ">> but um",
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      "duration": 2.479
    },
    {
      "text": ">> there's also like the auto approve like",
      "start": 1996.32,
      "duration": 3.04
    },
    {
      "text": "you have to see what it's doing.",
      "start": 1997.919,
      "duration": 2.721
    },
    {
      "text": ">> So let's get into all that stuff in a",
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      "duration": 2.48
    },
    {
      "text": "second but the",
      "start": 2000.64,
      "duration": 4.8
    },
    {
      "text": ">> but I'm not aware of anyone having",
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    },
    {
      "text": "anything close to the confidential VM",
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      "duration": 5.04
    },
    {
      "text": "system that that Muse has. And it's just",
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      "duration": 4.321
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    {
      "text": "I think it's a very fundamental thing",
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      "duration": 3.52
    },
    {
      "text": "because you're you're like you want to",
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      "duration": 4.64
    },
    {
      "text": "know that this is your agent and that",
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    },
    {
      "text": "that if you put content in there that um",
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      "duration": 6.16
    },
    {
      "text": "that basically you can trust that no one",
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      "duration": 3.36
    },
    {
      "text": "else is going to get access to it. So",
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      "text": "what are the two ways to do it? Well, a",
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      "duration": 3.439
    },
    {
      "text": "lot of people earlier in the year when",
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      "duration": 3.52
    },
    {
      "text": "stuff like OpenClaw came out, they",
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      "duration": 3.52
    },
    {
      "text": "started getting Mac Studios and you",
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      "duration": 3.041
    },
    {
      "text": "know, one way to feel good about it is",
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      "duration": 2.961
    },
    {
      "text": "well, you literally like you physically",
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      "duration": 4.319
    },
    {
      "text": "have your device running in your home.",
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      "duration": 4.56
    },
    {
      "text": "But the other way to do it is you build",
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      "duration": 3.76
    },
    {
      "text": "a a kind of that's going to be tricky",
      "start": 2038.32,
      "duration": 2.88
    },
    {
      "text": "because there I don't think there are",
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      "duration": 2.24
    },
    {
      "text": "going to be billions of people who are",
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      "duration": 2.56
    },
    {
      "text": "going to buy a Mac Studio and configure",
      "start": 2042.399,
      "duration": 2.481
    },
    {
      "text": "it and run it at their home,",
      "start": 2043.76,
      "duration": 2.56
    },
    {
      "text": ">> especially with RAM prices right now.",
      "start": 2044.88,
      "duration": 2.159
    },
    {
      "text": "Yeah.",
      "start": 2046.32,
      "duration": 1.839
    },
    {
      "text": ">> But but it's also just it's like",
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      "duration": 2.88
    },
    {
      "text": "technically difficult, right? It's like",
      "start": 2048.159,
      "duration": 3.2
    },
    {
      "text": "I mean part of what we were trying to do",
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    {
      "text": "with Muse is build a version of that",
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      "duration": 3.841
    },
    {
      "text": "personal agent experience that just",
      "start": 2053.679,
      "duration": 3.2
    },
    {
      "text": "works that I can like give to everyone",
      "start": 2055.2,
      "duration": 3.6
    },
    {
      "text": "in my family of various levels of",
      "start": 2056.879,
      "duration": 3.841
    },
    {
      "text": "technical literacy. Yeah. And like it",
      "start": 2058.8,
      "duration": 3.52
    },
    {
      "text": "just works and then within a day it's",
      "start": 2060.72,
      "duration": 3.28
    },
    {
      "text": "like doing kind of all the stuff that",
      "start": 2062.32,
      "duration": 3.44
    },
    {
      "text": "they that they want in their life. So",
      "start": 2064.0,
      "duration": 2.72
    },
    {
      "text": "part of that is like you don't want",
      "start": 2065.76,
      "duration": 2.159
    },
    {
      "text": "someone to have to set up their own",
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      "duration": 3.359
    },
    {
      "text": "computer or VM. you just kind of like",
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      "duration": 3.361
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    {
      "text": "want to be able to provision it in the",
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      "duration": 3.681
    },
    {
      "text": "cloud, but you wanted to have the",
      "start": 2071.28,
      "duration": 5.599
    },
    {
      "text": "security and confidentiality that you'd",
      "start": 2073.76,
      "duration": 5.04
    },
    {
      "text": "have if you had the box sitting under",
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      "duration": 4.24
    },
    {
      "text": "your desk like in your house.",
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      "duration": 3.599
    },
    {
      "text": ">> Um,",
      "start": 2081.119,
      "duration": 3.28
    },
    {
      "text": ">> so I think that's a very fundamental",
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      "duration": 3.841
    },
    {
      "text": "thing. Um, like you said, there there's",
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    {
      "text": "other pieces too because I not everyone",
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    },
    {
      "text": "is going to use that. I mean, we built a",
      "start": 2087.76,
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    },
    {
      "text": "secure credential store, right? You're",
      "start": 2089.52,
      "duration": 4.559
    },
    {
      "text": "there's no reason for you to just like",
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      "duration": 5.199
    },
    {
      "text": "store out in the open like all your your",
      "start": 2094.079,
      "duration": 4.161
    },
    {
      "text": "kind of your credit card and your",
      "start": 2096.639,
      "duration": 3.921
    },
    {
      "text": "password. one time card numbers and",
      "start": 2098.24,
      "duration": 4.08
    },
    {
      "text": ">> so your agent like shouldn't know that",
      "start": 2100.56,
      "duration": 3.44
    },
    {
      "text": "stuff. It should just be able to kind of",
      "start": 2102.32,
      "duration": 4.4
    },
    {
      "text": "access it um when it needs to because",
      "start": 2104.0,
      "duration": 4.24
    },
    {
      "text": "you've asked it to log into a thing and",
      "start": 2106.72,
      "duration": 4.96
    },
    {
      "text": "and no and not otherwise.",
      "start": 2108.24,
      "duration": 5.599
    },
    {
      "text": ">> Um it's actually not a single thing. Um",
      "start": 2111.68,
      "duration": 4.399
    },
    {
      "text": "you have your kind of core agent,",
      "start": 2113.839,
      "duration": 4.801
    },
    {
      "text": ">> but we also built all these sentinel",
      "start": 2116.079,
      "duration": 5.04
    },
    {
      "text": "agents that basically monitor the",
      "start": 2118.64,
      "duration": 4.959
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    {
      "text": "incoming and outgoing traffic and data",
      "start": 2121.119,
      "duration": 4.801
    },
    {
      "text": "that your that your agent is sending for",
      "start": 2123.599,
      "duration": 5.52
    },
    {
      "text": "the purpose of flagging to you um when",
      "start": 2125.92,
      "duration": 5.439
    },
    {
      "text": "you might want to review something. So",
      "start": 2129.119,
      "duration": 4.72
    },
    {
      "text": "that's all that the Sentinels do is is",
      "start": 2131.359,
      "duration": 3.921
    },
    {
      "text": "effectively",
      "start": 2133.839,
      "duration": 3.52
    },
    {
      "text": ">> they they kind of look at they they try",
      "start": 2135.28,
      "duration": 3.36
    },
    {
      "text": "to see if someone's trying to do like a",
      "start": 2137.359,
      "duration": 3.361
    },
    {
      "text": "prompt injection. They look at okay, did",
      "start": 2138.64,
      "duration": 3.68
    },
    {
      "text": "your Muse agent",
      "start": 2140.72,
      "duration": 2.96
    },
    {
      "text": ">> share something that that is kind of",
      "start": 2142.32,
      "duration": 4.0
    },
    {
      "text": "going out that um is not something that",
      "start": 2143.68,
      "duration": 4.56
    },
    {
      "text": "you might be comfortable with. If so,",
      "start": 2146.32,
      "duration": 3.6
    },
    {
      "text": "then the Sentinel agent is basically",
      "start": 2148.24,
      "duration": 3.599
    },
    {
      "text": "empowered to",
      "start": 2149.92,
      "duration": 3.439
    },
    {
      "text": ">> trigger this human in the loop review.",
      "start": 2151.839,
      "duration": 2.881
    },
    {
      "text": "So, if you're going to log into",
      "start": 2153.359,
      "duration": 2.24
    },
    {
      "text": "something, if you're going to do a",
      "start": 2154.72,
      "duration": 3.52
    },
    {
      "text": "payment, um if you're going to transfer",
      "start": 2155.599,
      "duration": 5.841
    },
    {
      "text": "um kind of sensitive information, you",
      "start": 2158.24,
      "duration": 5.359
    },
    {
      "text": "basically each time need to to approve",
      "start": 2161.44,
      "duration": 3.919
    },
    {
      "text": "it. And you can tell it I'm I'm good",
      "start": 2163.599,
      "duration": 3.281
    },
    {
      "text": "with with stuff like this in general,",
      "start": 2165.359,
      "duration": 2.881
    },
    {
      "text": "like always allow this kind of thing.",
      "start": 2166.88,
      "duration": 3.6
    },
    {
      "text": "But but in general, the Muse agent can't",
      "start": 2168.24,
      "duration": 4.24
    },
    {
      "text": "kind of make those judgments itself.",
      "start": 2170.48,
      "duration": 3.44
    },
    {
      "text": "It's and that's like built into the",
      "start": 2172.48,
      "duration": 2.24
    },
    {
      "text": "system",
      "start": 2173.92,
      "duration": 2.32
    },
    {
      "text": ">> and the architecture in a pretty deep",
      "start": 2174.72,
      "duration": 3.44
    },
    {
      "text": "way. And then even when we do things",
      "start": 2176.24,
      "duration": 3.92
    },
    {
      "text": "like you know all the connectors you",
      "start": 2178.16,
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      "text": "connect it to your email um you know I I",
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      "text": "think some people when they've designed",
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      "text": "this they just kind of make it so okay",
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      "text": "you connect and now you have access to",
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      "text": "everything but the approach that we've",
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      "text": "taken is like all right if you connect",
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      "text": "to your email like it should start",
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      "text": "readon",
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    {
      "text": ">> right and then if you want to like be",
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    {
      "text": "able to have it send an email then fine",
      "start": 2197.04,
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      "text": "like go ask it for that specifically",
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    {
      "text": "right",
      "start": 2201.04,
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    {
      "text": ">> especially most people trying this have",
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    {
      "text": "probably never tried a product like this",
      "start": 2202.72,
      "duration": 1.92
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    {
      "text": "so it's",
      "start": 2204.16,
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    {
      "text": ">> yeah so so this is like a core design",
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    {
      "text": "principle for us is like is basically",
      "start": 2206.8,
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    {
      "text": "least privilege. Yeah. Right. So just",
      "start": 2209.68,
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    {
      "text": "like yes, you're going to ask it to do a",
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      "text": "lot of things and each step along the",
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      "text": "way get access to the least privilege",
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      "text": "that you need and only add to that as",
      "start": 2216.32,
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      "text": "necessary. So I this is like very",
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    {
      "text": "fundamental in the design of the",
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      "text": "product. And if you look at all the",
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    {
      "text": "other agents that are out there, I think",
      "start": 2223.119,
      "duration": 3.521
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    {
      "text": "like no one else is anywhere close to",
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    {
      "text": "the level of of kind of sophistication",
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    {
      "text": "or depth that that we've built into",
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      "duration": 4.24
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    {
      "text": "this. And again, it's sort of informed",
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    {
      "text": "by our experience building WhatsApp into",
      "start": 2232.8,
      "duration": 5.44
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    {
      "text": "this like state-of-the-art end encrypted",
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      "duration": 4.321
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    {
      "text": "system around the world and the",
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      "duration": 2.4
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    {
      "text": "importance of building a system where",
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      "duration": 3.44
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    {
      "text": "even Meta can't see the content and um",
      "start": 2240.64,
      "duration": 3.439
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    {
      "text": "so kind of getting the band back",
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      "duration": 3.68
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      "text": "together and having Moxy like architect",
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      "duration": 4.0
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      "text": "this has been I think one of the",
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      "duration": 3.519
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      "text": "foundational things that in some ways it",
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    {
      "text": "may not be what what some people would",
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      "duration": 4.321
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    {
      "text": "would think Meta would focus on but but",
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      "duration": 4.161
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    {
      "text": "like you know we're we're kind of you",
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    {
      "text": "know it's interesting we're two things.",
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      "duration": 3.44
    },
    {
      "text": "I mean, social media is it's like not",
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      "duration": 4.0
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    {
      "text": "you it's inherently about sharing, but",
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      "duration": 2.72
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    {
      "text": "then there's all these other things that",
      "start": 2261.359,
      "duration": 3.441
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    {
      "text": "are inherently about kind of privacy and",
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      "duration": 4.16
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    {
      "text": "sensitive context, and we've done well",
      "start": 2264.8,
      "duration": 3.36
    },
    {
      "text": "at both of those. So, I think that this",
      "start": 2266.56,
      "duration": 2.96
    },
    {
      "text": "is this is more the latter. It's going",
      "start": 2268.16,
      "duration": 2.56
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    {
      "text": "to be very important to",
      "start": 2269.52,
      "duration": 4.319
    },
    {
      "text": ">> to just um be extremely focused on how",
      "start": 2270.72,
      "duration": 5.28
    },
    {
      "text": "we handle that that content.",
      "start": 2273.839,
      "duration": 4.321
    },
    {
      "text": ">> Mercury is a modern take on banking",
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      "duration": 4.0
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      "text": "built for startups like mine. When I",
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      "text": "decided to start my media business,",
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      "text": "Mercury was by far the most",
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      "text": "solution for me to set up quickly. The",
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      "text": "interface is intuitive and simple,",
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      "text": "invoicing. I love that I can delegate",
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      "text": "things running for me in exactly the way",
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      "duration": 3.679
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      "text": "I want them to. My favorite part is how",
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    {
      "text": "forward-looking Mercury is with AI.",
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      "text": "Legacy banks are stuck in the past, but",
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      "text": "Mercury is built for how modern software",
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      "text": "works today. I use its built-in command",
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      "text": "assistant to analyze cash flow and help",
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      "text": "me move money. And Mercury also connects",
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      "text": "to other AI tools like ChatBT and",
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      "text": "Claude. I use this feature all the time,",
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    {
      "text": "and the folks at Mercury actually let me",
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      "text": "know that I'm one of the top users of",
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      "text": "it. So, trust me, it's finally easy to",
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      "text": "get real time financial data about your",
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      "text": "business wherever you need it. Visit",
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      "text": "mercury.com to learn more and apply",
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      "text": "online in minutes. Mercury is a fintech",
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      "text": "company, not a FDIC insured bank.",
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      "text": "easytouse AI notepad for meetings that",
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      "text": "Rules and restrictions may apply. Do you",
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      "text": "think this is a winner take all market,",
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      "text": "that there's going to be",
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      "text": ">> quite a bit. I mean, even things that",
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      "text": "people think are winner take all usually",
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      "text": "that's",
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      "text": ">> because you've dealt in this business of",
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      "text": "network effects that they're incredibly",
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      "text": "but it ends up being several at real",
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      "text": "scale. There's not a ton.",
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      "text": ">> Well, there's a lot. I mean, there's",
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      "text": "billion users, right? Like, it's the",
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      "text": ">> It's a very deep area to work in.",
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      "text": ">> Yeah.",
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      "text": "a a lot of the usage.",
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      "text": ">> Um and I think a lot of the nuance ends",
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      "text": "up coming from well there are",
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    {
      "text": "relationships end up being a somewhat",
      "start": 2546.4,
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    {
      "text": "different thing than the personal agent",
      "start": 2548.56,
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    {
      "text": "that is the best at helping you build a",
      "start": 2551.76,
      "duration": 3.28
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    {
      "text": "small business? Maybe.",
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    {
      "text": ">> Mhm.",
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      "duration": 2.0
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    {
      "text": ">> I mean, I think that I could argue maybe",
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      "text": "Meta's very well positioned to win at",
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      "text": "both of those. I mean, we serve hundreds",
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      "text": "of millions of small of small businesses",
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    {
      "text": ">> and we serve billions of people. So, so",
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      "text": "maybe we can be the best at both of",
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      "text": "those things, but there are probably",
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      "text": "categories that Meta isn't going to be",
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    },
    {
      "text": "the best at. And then the question is",
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      "text": "just how big are those? I would guess",
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      "duration": 4.48
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      "text": "that even with the ability to have this",
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      "text": "like very secure confidential VM in the",
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      "text": "cloud, there are probably going to be",
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      "text": "some people who still want the the Mac",
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      "text": "Studio at home, but but how many is that",
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      "duration": 4.24
    },
    {
      "text": "going to be, right? It'll be like maybe",
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      "duration": 3.52
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    {
      "text": "it's millions, but I doubt it's",
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      "duration": 2.401
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    {
      "text": "billions. Yeah.",
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      "duration": 2.161
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    {
      "text": ">> So, it's just I think there's just the",
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      "text": "question of like",
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      "duration": 2.8
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      "text": ">> what different people optimize for and",
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      "duration": 3.12
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    {
      "text": "we'll try to make this as good as",
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      "duration": 3.44
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    {
      "text": "possible. But I do think that if we",
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    {
      "text": "build something that ends up being um",
      "start": 2596.0,
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    {
      "text": "just uh very useful for you know people",
      "start": 2599.04,
      "duration": 5.92
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    {
      "text": "generally in their day-to-day lives, one",
      "start": 2602.96,
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    {
      "text": "of the things that I think Meta is the",
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    {
      "text": "best at is taking a product that works",
      "start": 2606.319,
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    {
      "text": "for consumers and distributing it to a",
      "start": 2609.119,
      "duration": 2.321
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    {
      "text": "lot of people.",
      "start": 2610.88,
      "duration": 0.959
    },
    {
      "text": ">> Sure.",
      "start": 2611.44,
      "duration": 3.36
    },
    {
      "text": ">> So that is is one that I think is um you",
      "start": 2611.839,
      "duration": 5.76
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    {
      "text": "know once we get this humming um I think",
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      "duration": 4.88
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    {
      "text": "we will be able to get this in front of",
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      "text": "you know many hundreds of millions of",
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      "text": "people and eventually billions of",
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      "text": "people. And I think that that's",
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    {
      "text": "something that that that we can do quite",
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      "text": "well",
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      "text": ">> and it coexists with meta AI or do you",
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      "text": "see those as separate?",
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      "text": ">> I think so. Um we'll see over time. I",
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      "text": "think right now they have somewhat",
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    {
      "text": "different flavors. I mean I use both of",
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      "text": "them. I mean Muse is uh you know it's",
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    {
      "text": "more conversational and it kind of",
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    {
      "text": "interprets the questions that you ask it",
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    {
      "text": "more as trying to understand you and",
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      "duration": 4.4
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    {
      "text": "what you might want over the long term.",
      "start": 2647.359,
      "duration": 2.801
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    {
      "text": "So it's more likely if you ask it",
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    {
      "text": "something for it to just go off and work",
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    {
      "text": "on a thing for a long time based on a",
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    {
      "text": "thing that you said where sometimes you",
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    {
      "text": "you sometimes you're just asking a",
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      "text": "question right and you want like a very",
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    {
      "text": "like an answer to it and",
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      "duration": 5.2
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      "text": ">> um so I think that's more the type of",
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      "text": "thing that I use met Aai for but okay",
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    {
      "text": ">> um but we'll see maybe they'll they'll",
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    {
      "text": "converge over time but but I'm I'm not",
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    {
      "text": "sure",
      "start": 2671.04,
      "duration": 2.0
    },
    {
      "text": ">> sim analysis I'm not sure if you saw it",
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    {
      "text": "they had a pretty bullish piece about",
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    {
      "text": "you in July um they said that Meta has",
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    {
      "text": "the best shot at catching open AI and",
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      "duration": 3.6
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    {
      "text": "anthropic on the frontier in terms of",
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    {
      "text": "model progress and um interesting quote",
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    {
      "text": "I thought it was like what matters for",
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    {
      "text": "MSL is the slope not the intercept and",
      "start": 2685.119,
      "duration": 4.561
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    {
      "text": "then I saw there's this recent chart by",
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    {
      "text": "artificial analysis which was showing",
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      "duration": 4.24
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    {
      "text": "the latest model you guys have muse",
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      "duration": 4.08
    },
    {
      "text": "spark behind only claude I think it was",
      "start": 2693.92,
      "duration": 4.64
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    {
      "text": "fable 5.1 and opus 5 this was very",
      "start": 2696.0,
      "duration": 3.44
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    {
      "text": "recent",
      "start": 2698.56,
      "duration": 2.72
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    {
      "text": ">> so the progress you guys are making on",
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      "text": "the models is is picking up",
      "start": 2701.28,
      "duration": 3.2
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    {
      "text": ">> and we've been talking about this over",
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    {
      "text": "the last year",
      "start": 2704.48,
      "duration": 3.44
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    {
      "text": ">> and you rebooted the lab last year How",
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      "duration": 3.361
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    {
      "text": "has that practically happened",
      "start": 2707.92,
      "duration": 2.159
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    {
      "text": "internally? Like what would you",
      "start": 2708.96,
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    {
      "text": "attribute the the gains you're seeing",
      "start": 2710.079,
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    {
      "text": "to?",
      "start": 2712.24,
      "duration": 3.52
    },
    {
      "text": ">> Has it been culture? Like what what's",
      "start": 2713.76,
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    {
      "text": ">> Yeah, I mean well we rebooted the team",
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      "text": "when we created",
      "start": 2717.2,
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      "text": ">> which is was very public. You were",
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      "text": "hiring all those people.",
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      "text": ">> I mean the way I I thought about this is",
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      "text": "that's like unfit to be on the internet.",
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      "text": "I mean those are basically all machine",
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      "text": "learning systems and we've built kind of",
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      "text": "um gaining traction, we had fair as a",
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      "text": ">> And in practice there are a lot of very",
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      "text": "the team then you know each seat getting",
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    {
      "text": "that and I also I wanted to be closer",
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      "text": "technically to the work um so that way I",
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      "text": "could I could understand and help guide",
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      "text": "out the lab. I built it out like",
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      "text": "literally around where I sit in the the",
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      "text": "office. So, it's like the group is kind",
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      "text": "of around that. And we've significantly",
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      "text": "front. Um, and we should be I mean we",
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      "text": "have many years of experience um decades",
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      "text": "of experience building out data centers",
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      "text": "profitable business right so it's um",
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      "text": ">> yeah so it's very very helpful for for",
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      "text": "kind of making these kind of um",
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      "text": "investments so yeah so I mean that's",
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      "text": "kind of been the journey and then over",
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      "text": "the last year",
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      "text": ">> [snorts]",
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      "text": ">> um you know we we rebooted the research",
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      "text": "effort um some of the larger clusters",
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    {
      "text": "like our you know gigawatt cluster in in",
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      "duration": 5.361
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      "text": "Ohio. Prometheus came online and you",
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    {
      "text": "know we're using that to now scale the",
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      "text": "postwatermelon models. Um",
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      "text": ">> we're past watermelon.",
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      "text": ">> Watermelon is is basically that's that's",
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      "text": "shipping soon. So so we're yeah um I",
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      "text": "mean that's come on [laughter]",
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      "duration": 4.321
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      "text": "it's we're uh",
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      "text": ">> well watermelon is the code and we were",
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      "text": "talking about this earlier code names",
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    {
      "text": "like that's the code name you guys that",
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      "duration": 3.121
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    {
      "text": "people know about like this big model",
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      "duration": 3.28
    },
    {
      "text": "you guys are working on",
      "start": 2923.68,
      "duration": 3.52
    },
    {
      "text": ">> and and and",
      "start": 2925.28,
      "duration": 3.2
    },
    {
      "text": "are coming soon. It is bigger than",
      "start": 2927.2,
      "duration": 1.84
    },
    {
      "text": "avocado.",
      "start": 2928.48,
      "duration": 2.48
    },
    {
      "text": ">> It is bigger than a watermelon is",
      "start": 2929.04,
      "duration": 3.12
    },
    {
      "text": "literally bigger than an avocado.",
      "start": 2930.96,
      "duration": 2.399
    },
    {
      "text": ">> It is literally bigger.",
      "start": 2932.16,
      "duration": 2.56
    },
    {
      "text": ">> Um so I don't know what fruit gets",
      "start": 2933.359,
      "duration": 2.561
    },
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      "text": "bigger than a watermelon.",
      "start": 2934.72,
      "duration": 2.72
    },
    {
      "text": ">> Yeah. No, I think we might need to",
      "start": 2935.92,
      "duration": 2.48
    },
    {
      "text": "change conventions.",
      "start": 2937.44,
      "duration": 3.44
    },
    {
      "text": ">> Okay. Um [laughter]",
      "start": 2938.4,
      "duration": 4.56
    },
    {
      "text": ">> so yeah, we maybe didn't have as much",
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      "duration": 3.6
    },
    {
      "text": "foresight in and name",
      "start": 2942.96,
      "duration": 3.84
    },
    {
      "text": ">> things getting bigger. Um because you",
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      "duration": 4.24
    },
    {
      "text": "mentioned it watermelon. Are you",
      "start": 2946.8,
      "duration": 6.08
    },
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      "text": "expecting full soda like uh Frontier",
      "start": 2948.72,
      "duration": 5.359
    },
    {
      "text": "like what do we",
      "start": 2952.88,
      "duration": 3.04
    },
    {
      "text": ">> I I mean I we feel good about it.",
      "start": 2954.079,
      "duration": 3.52
    },
    {
      "text": ">> Yeah. Um, no, it's it's a very big",
      "start": 2955.92,
      "duration": 3.76
    },
    {
      "text": "advance. It's a it's a significantly",
      "start": 2957.599,
      "duration": 4.561
    },
    {
      "text": "more advanced pre-train and then we're",
      "start": 2959.68,
      "duration": 4.08
    },
    {
      "text": "going to continue doing everything that",
      "start": 2962.16,
      "duration": 4.159
    },
    {
      "text": "we've learned for post-training and um",
      "start": 2963.76,
      "duration": 4.079
    },
    {
      "text": "yeah, well, I mean, you'll see soon.",
      "start": 2966.319,
      "duration": 3.601
    },
    {
      "text": ">> It's good. It's um we we feel we feel",
      "start": 2967.839,
      "duration": 3.921
    },
    {
      "text": "good about it. Um",
      "start": 2969.92,
      "duration": 4.0
    },
    {
      "text": ">> you want the company to be pushing the",
      "start": 2971.76,
      "duration": 3.68
    },
    {
      "text": "frontier. It's very clear like you're",
      "start": 2973.92,
      "duration": 3.6
    },
    {
      "text": "not you're not content being right on",
      "start": 2975.44,
      "duration": 4.879
    },
    {
      "text": "the edge of the frontier or in terms of",
      "start": 2977.52,
      "duration": 4.16
    },
    {
      "text": ">> I think everyone wants to be doing",
      "start": 2980.319,
      "duration": 1.921
    },
    {
      "text": ">> Yeah.",
      "start": 2981.68,
      "duration": 2.0
    },
    {
      "text": ">> interesting. Well, I think some people",
      "start": 2982.24,
      "duration": 2.8
    },
    {
      "text": "will go and look at your cash flow and",
      "start": 2983.68,
      "duration": 2.399
    },
    {
      "text": "look at all the other things you've got",
      "start": 2985.04,
      "duration": 2.319
    },
    {
      "text": "and go like, \"Well, do you have to be",
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      "duration": 2.401
    },
    {
      "text": "like right at the edge? It's so",
      "start": 2987.359,
      "duration": 2.72
    },
    {
      "text": "expensive to do this training.\" Like",
      "start": 2988.48,
      "duration": 3.52
    },
    {
      "text": "just like be right behind and learn and",
      "start": 2990.079,
      "duration": 3.921
    },
    {
      "text": "adapt quickly and leverage.",
      "start": 2992.0,
      "duration": 3.68
    },
    {
      "text": ">> Well, the way I think about it, no, no,",
      "start": 2994.0,
      "duration": 3.68
    },
    {
      "text": "no. I I mean, that's not that's not",
      "start": 2995.68,
      "duration": 3.36
    },
    {
      "text": "that's not us. Um,",
      "start": 2997.68,
      "duration": 2.56
    },
    {
      "text": ">> I mean, I think that the best way to",
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      "duration": 2.96
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      "text": "think about Meta is that we are an",
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      "duration": 4.079
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    {
      "text": "endto-end technology company, right? So,",
      "start": 3002.0,
      "duration": 4.64
    },
    {
      "text": "even when we were, you know, primarily",
      "start": 3004.319,
      "duration": 6.24
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    {
      "text": "just building social apps, you know, we",
      "start": 3006.64,
      "duration": 5.28
    },
    {
      "text": "were never just an app maker, right?",
      "start": 3010.559,
      "duration": 3.121
    },
    {
      "text": "Right? I mean, we built like we built",
      "start": 3011.92,
      "duration": 3.36
    },
    {
      "text": "the data centers, we built the chips, we",
      "start": 3013.68,
      "duration": 2.96
    },
    {
      "text": "built the infrastructure, we built like",
      "start": 3015.28,
      "duration": 3.76
    },
    {
      "text": "all of this stuff was necessary in order",
      "start": 3016.64,
      "duration": 5.6
    },
    {
      "text": "to tune the end experience to be as good",
      "start": 3019.04,
      "duration": 5.039
    },
    {
      "text": "as it is. I think that that's obviously",
      "start": 3022.24,
      "duration": 4.16
    },
    {
      "text": "going to be true here too. And the most",
      "start": 3024.079,
      "duration": 3.76
    },
    {
      "text": "important part of the experience going",
      "start": 3026.4,
      "duration": 3.76
    },
    {
      "text": "forward is the model. And when you talk",
      "start": 3027.839,
      "duration": 4.24
    },
    {
      "text": "about being state-of-the-art,",
      "start": 3030.16,
      "duration": 4.159
    },
    {
      "text": "I think the reality is that",
      "start": 3032.079,
      "duration": 4.24
    },
    {
      "text": ">> there's this is a very multi-dimensional",
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      "duration": 3.681
    },
    {
      "text": "problem. And I mean, so people publish",
      "start": 3036.319,
      "duration": 2.961
    },
    {
      "text": "all these benchmarks, then you have a",
      "start": 3038.0,
      "duration": 3.76
    },
    {
      "text": "lot more benchmarks even internally. And",
      "start": 3039.28,
      "duration": 4.72
    },
    {
      "text": "um there are different things that your",
      "start": 3041.76,
      "duration": 4.48
    },
    {
      "text": "model can be better and worse at that",
      "start": 3044.0,
      "duration": 3.76
    },
    {
      "text": "you can focus on and that basically",
      "start": 3046.24,
      "duration": 4.079
    },
    {
      "text": "contributes to its personality. And",
      "start": 3047.76,
      "duration": 5.359
    },
    {
      "text": "there are some um capabilities that I",
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      "duration": 4.24
    },
    {
      "text": "think are pretty universal like the",
      "start": 3053.119,
      "duration": 2.96
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    {
      "text": "ability to code I think is very",
      "start": 3054.559,
      "duration": 3.04
    },
    {
      "text": "important because a lot of the things",
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      "duration": 2.801
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    {
      "text": "that you talk about even with the",
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      "duration": 3.681
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    {
      "text": "personal agent kind of reduced to that",
      "start": 3058.88,
      "duration": 4.959
    },
    {
      "text": "like the the kind of MMA coaching visual",
      "start": 3061.28,
      "duration": 4.64
    },
    {
      "text": "pipeline it is a coding project right at",
      "start": 3063.839,
      "duration": 3.121
    },
    {
      "text": "the end of the day right it's like it's",
      "start": 3065.92,
      "duration": 2.96
    },
    {
      "text": "writing code I don't see the code",
      "start": 3066.96,
      "duration": 4.48
    },
    {
      "text": ">> um but it it it does that um you know",
      "start": 3068.88,
      "duration": 3.92
    },
    {
      "text": "it's like uh",
      "start": 3071.44,
      "duration": 3.119
    },
    {
      "text": ">> you know someone I gave it to in beta",
      "start": 3072.8,
      "duration": 4.08
    },
    {
      "text": "just mentioned to me it's like okay she",
      "start": 3074.559,
      "duration": 5.201
    },
    {
      "text": "um had it make a little Jeopardy game",
      "start": 3076.88,
      "duration": 5.679
    },
    {
      "text": "for her friends that she could like cast",
      "start": 3079.76,
      "duration": 5.04
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    {
      "text": "from her phone to play and it just okay",
      "start": 3082.559,
      "duration": 4.081
    },
    {
      "text": "that's code right so so there's a bunch",
      "start": 3084.8,
      "duration": 2.64
    },
    {
      "text": "of stuff",
      "start": 3086.64,
      "duration": 3.439
    },
    {
      "text": ">> both for Meta's own internal development",
      "start": 3087.44,
      "duration": 4.639
    },
    {
      "text": "across the company for our own advancing",
      "start": 3090.079,
      "duration": 4.24
    },
    {
      "text": "of our research program and as a core",
      "start": 3092.079,
      "duration": 3.601
    },
    {
      "text": "capability of what it needs to do it",
      "start": 3094.319,
      "duration": 2.561
    },
    {
      "text": "needs to be excellent at things like",
      "start": 3095.68,
      "duration": 3.6
    },
    {
      "text": "that but then there are other things",
      "start": 3096.88,
      "duration": 4.88
    },
    {
      "text": "that I think a model that's going to",
      "start": 3099.28,
      "duration": 4.24
    },
    {
      "text": "focus on personal super intelligence",
      "start": 3101.76,
      "duration": 3.599
    },
    {
      "text": "needs to be the best at that maybe",
      "start": 3103.52,
      "duration": 4.4
    },
    {
      "text": "others don't care as much about so I",
      "start": 3105.359,
      "duration": 3.921
    },
    {
      "text": "mean I'll give you one example",
      "start": 3107.92,
      "duration": 4.08
    },
    {
      "text": "um discretion, right? So, you're going",
      "start": 3109.28,
      "duration": 4.96
    },
    {
      "text": "to tell your Muse agent,",
      "start": 3112.0,
      "duration": 4.4
    },
    {
      "text": ">> it's going to know a bunch about you and",
      "start": 3114.24,
      "duration": 3.2
    },
    {
      "text": "it's going to need to go out into the",
      "start": 3116.4,
      "duration": 2.48
    },
    {
      "text": "world and interact to get stuff done for",
      "start": 3117.44,
      "duration": 1.84
    },
    {
      "text": "you,",
      "start": 3118.88,
      "duration": 1.92
    },
    {
      "text": ">> but not share certain stuff.",
      "start": 3119.28,
      "duration": 2.079
    },
    {
      "text": ">> Exactly.",
      "start": 3120.8,
      "duration": 0.96
    },
    {
      "text": ">> Yeah.",
      "start": 3121.359,
      "duration": 2.24
    },
    {
      "text": ">> So, like let's say you have some kind of",
      "start": 3121.76,
      "duration": 6.079
    },
    {
      "text": "allergy or sensitivity or um you know,",
      "start": 3123.599,
      "duration": 6.401
    },
    {
      "text": "you're pregnant and like okay, fine. So,",
      "start": 3127.839,
      "duration": 4.081
    },
    {
      "text": "you're making a reservation somewhere.",
      "start": 3130.0,
      "duration": 3.04
    },
    {
      "text": "You don't necessarily want to say like",
      "start": 3131.92,
      "duration": 2.56
    },
    {
      "text": "I'm pregnant, but like but maybe you",
      "start": 3133.04,
      "duration": 3.519
    },
    {
      "text": "want a place that has good mocktails.",
      "start": 3134.48,
      "duration": 3.599
    },
    {
      "text": "Like I I don't know what whatever it is,",
      "start": 3136.559,
      "duration": 3.361
    },
    {
      "text": "right? like you you kind of want to be",
      "start": 3138.079,
      "duration": 4.961
    },
    {
      "text": "able to achieve your goals without",
      "start": 3139.92,
      "duration": 5.679
    },
    {
      "text": "having to necessarily reveal a lot about",
      "start": 3143.04,
      "duration": 4.799
    },
    {
      "text": "yourself and it needs to know what is",
      "start": 3145.599,
      "duration": 3.921
    },
    {
      "text": "sensitive without having to like ask you",
      "start": 3147.839,
      "duration": 2.641
    },
    {
      "text": "a million questions.",
      "start": 3149.52,
      "duration": 2.079
    },
    {
      "text": ">> So that's something you put into the",
      "start": 3150.48,
      "duration": 1.92
    },
    {
      "text": "training.",
      "start": 3151.599,
      "duration": 2.0
    },
    {
      "text": ">> That's a specific thing that we care",
      "start": 3152.4,
      "duration": 2.8
    },
    {
      "text": "about. And and then there's all these",
      "start": 3153.599,
      "duration": 3.841
    },
    {
      "text": "reasons why like maybe you know if",
      "start": 3155.2,
      "duration": 4.24
    },
    {
      "text": "you're making clawed code that's less",
      "start": 3157.44,
      "duration": 3.36
    },
    {
      "text": "important, right?",
      "start": 3159.44,
      "duration": 4.159
    },
    {
      "text": "you're like you're working on a coding",
      "start": 3160.8,
      "duration": 4.64
    },
    {
      "text": "project and you're working within a team",
      "start": 3163.599,
      "duration": 4.0
    },
    {
      "text": "and an enterprise and you know",
      "start": 3165.44,
      "duration": 3.76
    },
    {
      "text": "theoretically like if you're within a",
      "start": 3167.599,
      "duration": 2.801
    },
    {
      "text": "company everyone can kind of see the",
      "start": 3169.2,
      "duration": 3.359
    },
    {
      "text": "project. So like it's you don't kind of",
      "start": 3170.4,
      "duration": 4.32
    },
    {
      "text": "have that need to be able to",
      "start": 3172.559,
      "duration": 3.841
    },
    {
      "text": "differentiate between what is sensitive",
      "start": 3174.72,
      "duration": 3.92
    },
    {
      "text": "and what's not. And so there's a lot of",
      "start": 3176.4,
      "duration": 3.919
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    {
      "text": "stuff like that that I think are like",
      "start": 3178.64,
      "duration": 4.16
    },
    {
      "text": "pretty deep. And so then it's it's kind",
      "start": 3180.319,
      "duration": 4.161
    },
    {
      "text": "of like just how in order to build the",
      "start": 3182.8,
      "duration": 3.44
    },
    {
      "text": "best Instagram feed, you don't just",
      "start": 3184.48,
      "duration": 4.16
    },
    {
      "text": "build like the app. You build the app",
      "start": 3186.24,
      "duration": 4.079
    },
    {
      "text": "and the infrastructure and the machine",
      "start": 3188.64,
      "duration": 3.52
    },
    {
      "text": "learning research and the chips and the",
      "start": 3190.319,
      "duration": 4.0
    },
    {
      "text": "like all the stuff. I think similarly,",
      "start": 3192.16,
      "duration": 3.439
    },
    {
      "text": "if you want to build the best personal",
      "start": 3194.319,
      "duration": 3.681
    },
    {
      "text": "agent, you're like I just think that",
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      "duration": 4.72
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    {
      "text": "there's no way that another company is",
      "start": 3198.0,
      "duration": 3.599
    },
    {
      "text": "just going to like take something off",
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      "duration": 4.081
    },
    {
      "text": "the shelf and like post-train it a",
      "start": 3201.599,
      "duration": 4.161
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    {
      "text": "little bit and be able to do something",
      "start": 3204.4,
      "duration": 3.6
    },
    {
      "text": "that is as good as if you designed it",
      "start": 3205.76,
      "duration": 4.319
    },
    {
      "text": "from the ground up and put all this data",
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      "duration": 3.44
    },
    {
      "text": "into pre-training to get the",
      "start": 3210.079,
      "duration": 2.961
    },
    {
      "text": "capabilities that you want. It's just",
      "start": 3211.44,
      "duration": 3.36
    },
    {
      "text": "like it's not going to happen. like",
      "start": 3213.04,
      "duration": 3.76
    },
    {
      "text": "we're gonna like definitely as this",
      "start": 3214.8,
      "duration": 4.48
    },
    {
      "text": "compounds over time over several years",
      "start": 3216.8,
      "duration": 5.84
    },
    {
      "text": "have um models that are way more capable",
      "start": 3219.28,
      "duration": 6.079
    },
    {
      "text": "for those goals. But we're focused on",
      "start": 3222.64,
      "duration": 4.8
    },
    {
      "text": "that. We're also very focused on coding.",
      "start": 3225.359,
      "duration": 4.96
    },
    {
      "text": "We're very focused on on kind of um the",
      "start": 3227.44,
      "duration": 4.32
    },
    {
      "text": "recursive improvement because that's",
      "start": 3230.319,
      "duration": 2.481
    },
    {
      "text": "going to be important to stay at the",
      "start": 3231.76,
      "duration": 3.28
    },
    {
      "text": "frontier. So there are a few areas that",
      "start": 3232.8,
      "duration": 4.48
    },
    {
      "text": "I'd say our research agenda is",
      "start": 3235.04,
      "duration": 3.92
    },
    {
      "text": "overlapping with the other labs. And",
      "start": 3237.28,
      "duration": 3.6
    },
    {
      "text": "then there's a few areas where I think",
      "start": 3238.96,
      "duration": 3.84
    },
    {
      "text": "we will have a unique focus and there",
      "start": 3240.88,
      "duration": 3.28
    },
    {
      "text": "may be some things that the other labs",
      "start": 3242.8,
      "duration": 3.2
    },
    {
      "text": "care about that we don't care about as",
      "start": 3244.16,
      "duration": 2.56
    },
    {
      "text": "much.",
      "start": 3246.0,
      "duration": 1.76
    },
    {
      "text": ">> Um and then there are going to be things",
      "start": 3246.72,
      "duration": 2.24
    },
    {
      "text": "that we care about more that they don't",
      "start": 3247.76,
      "duration": 1.68
    },
    {
      "text": "care about.",
      "start": 3248.96,
      "duration": 2.08
    },
    {
      "text": ">> You started this conversation talking",
      "start": 3249.44,
      "duration": 2.96
    },
    {
      "text": "about I think it's important to put it",
      "start": 3251.04,
      "duration": 2.88
    },
    {
      "text": "in the hands of people. Diffusion is",
      "start": 3252.4,
      "duration": 4.159
    },
    {
      "text": "important as you're seeing better models",
      "start": 3253.92,
      "duration": 4.24
    },
    {
      "text": "on the horizon. watermelon and what",
      "start": 3256.559,
      "duration": 4.481
    },
    {
      "text": "comes after like what Anthropic and",
      "start": 3258.16,
      "duration": 4.56
    },
    {
      "text": "OpenAI are doing which you alluded to",
      "start": 3261.04,
      "duration": 3.12
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      "text": "where they're holding things back.",
      "start": 3262.72,
      "duration": 1.839
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    {
      "text": ">> Yeah.",
      "start": 3264.16,
      "duration": 2.959
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      "text": ">> Um would you feel like you need to do",
      "start": 3264.559,
      "duration": 4.241
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      "text": "that if you see certain capabilities",
      "start": 3267.119,
      "duration": 4.081
    },
    {
      "text": "that you're like this is just not safe?",
      "start": 3268.8,
      "duration": 3.36
    },
    {
      "text": ">> How do you think about that?",
      "start": 3271.2,
      "duration": 2.399
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    {
      "text": ">> Well, I mean I think you should design",
      "start": 3272.16,
      "duration": 4.159
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      "text": "it and train it in order to be safe and",
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      "duration": 4.321
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    {
      "text": "I I think that there's so I think that",
      "start": 3276.319,
      "duration": 3.121
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    {
      "text": "that's like a thing that you can focus",
      "start": 3277.92,
      "duration": 3.84
    },
    {
      "text": "on through the process. I mean there's",
      "start": 3279.44,
      "duration": 3.919
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    {
      "text": "this anal I mean some of the reward",
      "start": 3281.76,
      "duration": 3.359
    },
    {
      "text": "hacking stuff that all the labs are",
      "start": 3283.359,
      "duration": 4.48
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    {
      "text": "seeing it's I mean basically when you're",
      "start": 3285.119,
      "duration": 4.96
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    {
      "text": "in the middle of the training process",
      "start": 3287.839,
      "duration": 4.321
    },
    {
      "text": "you give it a goal and I think that the",
      "start": 3290.079,
      "duration": 4.961
    },
    {
      "text": "best way to kind of think about like the",
      "start": 3292.16,
      "duration": 5.36
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    {
      "text": "state that the models are at now is that",
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      "duration": 4.559
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    {
      "text": "you know maybe six months ago like",
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      "duration": 3.92
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    {
      "text": "during training you give the the model",
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      "duration": 4.161
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    {
      "text": "some kind of problem that you're trying",
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      "duration": 3.6
    },
    {
      "text": "to ask it to solve. that's kind of like",
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      "duration": 3.12
    },
    {
      "text": "its homework and and trying to to kind",
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      "duration": 4.48
    },
    {
      "text": "of learn as part of the curriculum. And",
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      "duration": 5.28
    },
    {
      "text": "um you know maybe it would do what the a",
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      "duration": 5.36
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      "text": "person would do of like if you you ask",
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      "duration": 4.64
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    {
      "text": "it you you give it a bunch of code and",
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      "duration": 3.04
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    {
      "text": "you're like hey there's a bug like",
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      "duration": 2.559
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    {
      "text": "somewhere here. The person would",
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      "duration": 3.36
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    {
      "text": "probably like look at the code right",
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      "duration": 3.841
    },
    {
      "text": "there and you know then maybe like fan",
      "start": 3321.28,
      "duration": 3.92
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    {
      "text": "out over time. I think like the new",
      "start": 3323.2,
      "duration": 4.48
    },
    {
      "text": "models are just intelligent enough that",
      "start": 3325.2,
      "duration": 4.32
    },
    {
      "text": "they would do what I think a very wise",
      "start": 3327.68,
      "duration": 4.32
    },
    {
      "text": "person would do which is okay you give",
      "start": 3329.52,
      "duration": 4.48
    },
    {
      "text": "it a problem the first thing it's going",
      "start": 3332.0,
      "duration": 3.68
    },
    {
      "text": "to do is like understand everything",
      "start": 3334.0,
      "duration": 5.28
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    {
      "text": "about its environment and then answer",
      "start": 3335.68,
      "duration": 5.76
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    {
      "text": "your question but the problem with the",
      "start": 3339.28,
      "duration": 4.24
    },
    {
      "text": "reward hacking that we're seeing and",
      "start": 3341.44,
      "duration": 3.919
    },
    {
      "text": "that that I think everyone is seeing is",
      "start": 3343.52,
      "duration": 3.92
    },
    {
      "text": "that sometimes it ends up being easier",
      "start": 3345.359,
      "duration": 3.921
    },
    {
      "text": "to okay you asked me to like go solve",
      "start": 3347.44,
      "duration": 4.72
    },
    {
      "text": "some coding problem but actually the",
      "start": 3349.28,
      "duration": 5.76
    },
    {
      "text": "easiest way to do that is to I've now",
      "start": 3352.16,
      "duration": 4.959
    },
    {
      "text": "examined the whole environment and the",
      "start": 3355.04,
      "duration": 3.44
    },
    {
      "text": "easiest way to do this is just change",
      "start": 3357.119,
      "duration": 3.2
    },
    {
      "text": "this configuration of like how you have",
      "start": 3358.48,
      "duration": 2.96
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    {
      "text": "your VM set up",
      "start": 3360.319,
      "duration": 2.401
    },
    {
      "text": ">> to get out to hack out",
      "start": 3361.44,
      "duration": 2.639
    },
    {
      "text": ">> or or even just to change something",
      "start": 3362.72,
      "duration": 2.879
    },
    {
      "text": "about the environment and it's kind of",
      "start": 3364.079,
      "duration": 3.28
    },
    {
      "text": "like no like that's not",
      "start": 3365.599,
      "duration": 2.48
    },
    {
      "text": ">> that's not aligned",
      "start": 3367.359,
      "duration": 2.641
    },
    {
      "text": ">> that's not that's not the goal like that",
      "start": 3368.079,
      "duration": 3.441
    },
    {
      "text": "we're actually trying to teach you about",
      "start": 3370.0,
      "duration": 3.92
    },
    {
      "text": "how to how to kind of solve a specific",
      "start": 3371.52,
      "duration": 3.599
    },
    {
      "text": "type of problem",
      "start": 3373.92,
      "duration": 2.56
    },
    {
      "text": ">> you guys don't train that way it sounds",
      "start": 3375.119,
      "duration": 3.121
    },
    {
      "text": "like is that is it you do not agree with",
      "start": 3376.48,
      "duration": 2.4
    },
    {
      "text": "that approach",
      "start": 3378.24,
      "duration": 1.92
    },
    {
      "text": ">> no no no I think that that's that's",
      "start": 3378.88,
      "duration": 3.04
    },
    {
      "text": "that's kind of how everyone trains I",
      "start": 3380.16,
      "duration": 2.8
    },
    {
      "text": "guess what I'm saying is that I think",
      "start": 3381.92,
      "duration": 3.52
    },
    {
      "text": "that this sort of it's like I want to be",
      "start": 3382.96,
      "duration": 4.159
    },
    {
      "text": "careful because the the analogy can get",
      "start": 3385.44,
      "duration": 3.6
    },
    {
      "text": "stretched pretty quickly but like there",
      "start": 3387.119,
      "duration": 4.24
    },
    {
      "text": "is sort of like an analogy to parenting",
      "start": 3389.04,
      "duration": 4.48
    },
    {
      "text": "where you need to establish clear and",
      "start": 3391.359,
      "duration": 4.561
    },
    {
      "text": "firm boundaries where like if you're",
      "start": 3393.52,
      "duration": 5.279
    },
    {
      "text": "kind of like security is not strong then",
      "start": 3395.92,
      "duration": 5.36
    },
    {
      "text": "it can do this reward hacking stuff and",
      "start": 3398.799,
      "duration": 3.601
    },
    {
      "text": "not learn the thing that you're trying",
      "start": 3401.28,
      "duration": 3.44
    },
    {
      "text": "to have it learn. Um whereas if you kind",
      "start": 3402.4,
      "duration": 4.32
    },
    {
      "text": "of have good boundaries then in some",
      "start": 3404.72,
      "duration": 3.68
    },
    {
      "text": "ways you're not only teaching it the",
      "start": 3406.72,
      "duration": 3.2
    },
    {
      "text": "curriculum that you want you're I think",
      "start": 3408.4,
      "duration": 4.0
    },
    {
      "text": "also over time teaching it better values",
      "start": 3409.92,
      "duration": 5.439
    },
    {
      "text": "too. M so I I kind of think that that",
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      "duration": 4.959
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    {
      "text": "ends up being an important piece and I",
      "start": 3415.359,
      "duration": 3.601
    },
    {
      "text": "think that there's a way to do this well",
      "start": 3417.359,
      "duration": 3.521
    },
    {
      "text": "but then you end up with this thing at",
      "start": 3418.96,
      "duration": 3.839
    },
    {
      "text": "the end that's very intelligent and then",
      "start": 3420.88,
      "duration": 4.479
    },
    {
      "text": "the question is what is your what is the",
      "start": 3422.799,
      "duration": 4.401
    },
    {
      "text": "vision for for how this ends up being",
      "start": 3425.359,
      "duration": 5.521
    },
    {
      "text": "positive for society and my view for",
      "start": 3427.2,
      "duration": 5.76
    },
    {
      "text": "that is that the best way to do that is",
      "start": 3430.88,
      "duration": 4.4
    },
    {
      "text": "a there's more opportunity so I think",
      "start": 3432.96,
      "duration": 4.0
    },
    {
      "text": "like like having it in people's hands",
      "start": 3435.28,
      "duration": 3.6
    },
    {
      "text": "that they can get uh like capture all",
      "start": 3436.96,
      "duration": 3.52
    },
    {
      "text": "the opportunity from the capabilities is",
      "start": 3438.88,
      "duration": 4.4
    },
    {
      "text": "good and b is having checks and balances",
      "start": 3440.48,
      "duration": 4.16
    },
    {
      "text": "by having this balance of power of",
      "start": 3443.28,
      "duration": 3.44
    },
    {
      "text": "having it widely available is going to",
      "start": 3444.64,
      "duration": 5.12
    },
    {
      "text": "be um uh probably the right way to",
      "start": 3446.72,
      "duration": 5.119
    },
    {
      "text": "handle this rather than just restricting",
      "start": 3449.76,
      "duration": 3.599
    },
    {
      "text": "it. And I mean I gave a bunch of these",
      "start": 3451.839,
      "duration": 3.041
    },
    {
      "text": "analogies in the in the long piece that",
      "start": 3453.359,
      "duration": 3.361
    },
    {
      "text": "I wrote. It's like if one person had a",
      "start": 3454.88,
      "duration": 4.56
    },
    {
      "text": "super intelligent lawyer like maybe they",
      "start": 3456.72,
      "duration": 4.72
    },
    {
      "text": "could win cases that they shouldn't be",
      "start": 3459.44,
      "duration": 4.399
    },
    {
      "text": "able to win right some of the time. But",
      "start": 3461.44,
      "duration": 3.919
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    {
      "text": "if everyone had a super intelligent",
      "start": 3463.839,
      "duration": 5.52
    },
    {
      "text": "lawyer, then like it would be kind of it",
      "start": 3465.359,
      "duration": 6.48
    },
    {
      "text": "it would be this very efficient kind of",
      "start": 3469.359,
      "duration": 4.561
    },
    {
      "text": "sparring and no one would be able to let",
      "start": 3471.839,
      "duration": 5.041
    },
    {
      "text": "like a stupid argument get get um get",
      "start": 3473.92,
      "duration": 4.96
    },
    {
      "text": "made and just stand. So you'd think that",
      "start": 3476.88,
      "duration": 3.6
    },
    {
      "text": "in that case like justice would be",
      "start": 3478.88,
      "duration": 3.439
    },
    {
      "text": "served way more efficiently and way more",
      "start": 3480.48,
      "duration": 4.56
    },
    {
      "text": "fairly. So I think that's what you want",
      "start": 3482.319,
      "duration": 5.601
    },
    {
      "text": "to have in the world. You want to avoid",
      "start": 3485.04,
      "duration": 4.799
    },
    {
      "text": "the case where like one person or a",
      "start": 3487.92,
      "duration": 3.84
    },
    {
      "text": "small number of people have the super",
      "start": 3489.839,
      "duration": 3.361
    },
    {
      "text": "intelligent lawyer and everyone else",
      "start": 3491.76,
      "duration": 3.839
    },
    {
      "text": "doesn't because that ends up being like",
      "start": 3493.2,
      "duration": 3.919
    },
    {
      "text": "twisting all of these systems and",
      "start": 3495.599,
      "duration": 4.641
    },
    {
      "text": "institutions in ways that are just going",
      "start": 3497.119,
      "duration": 4.801
    },
    {
      "text": "to advantage the people who have that.",
      "start": 3500.24,
      "duration": 3.04
    },
    {
      "text": "Whereas if you put it in everyone's",
      "start": 3501.92,
      "duration": 3.28
    },
    {
      "text": "hands then I think the the kind of",
      "start": 3503.28,
      "duration": 4.079
    },
    {
      "text": "checks and balances work out so that the",
      "start": 3505.2,
      "duration": 3.599
    },
    {
      "text": "systems work a lot more efficiently and",
      "start": 3507.359,
      "duration": 2.24
    },
    {
      "text": "everyone benefits.",
      "start": 3508.799,
      "duration": 2.721
    },
    {
      "text": ">> Does the government in the US have any",
      "start": 3509.599,
      "duration": 3.841
    },
    {
      "text": "role to play here? Do you think is this?",
      "start": 3511.52,
      "duration": 4.0
    },
    {
      "text": ">> Oh definitely. like but do you want some",
      "start": 3513.44,
      "duration": 4.56
    },
    {
      "text": "kind of national framework? Do you like",
      "start": 3515.52,
      "duration": 3.92
    },
    {
      "text": "what do you think is the right approach",
      "start": 3518.0,
      "duration": 2.88
    },
    {
      "text": "because every the government's very much",
      "start": 3519.44,
      "duration": 2.72
    },
    {
      "text": "dealing with this right now.",
      "start": 3520.88,
      "duration": 3.679
    },
    {
      "text": ">> My theory on this is that I I think one",
      "start": 3522.16,
      "duration": 4.159
    },
    {
      "text": "thing that is interesting and difficult",
      "start": 3524.559,
      "duration": 4.56
    },
    {
      "text": "is that it's evolving so quickly. So I",
      "start": 3526.319,
      "duration": 5.601
    },
    {
      "text": "think any kind of specific rigid",
      "start": 3529.119,
      "duration": 4.96
    },
    {
      "text": "framework that you put in place there is",
      "start": 3531.92,
      "duration": 4.879
    },
    {
      "text": "a very high chance that it is sort of",
      "start": 3534.079,
      "duration": 5.201
    },
    {
      "text": "going to not be sufficient or out of",
      "start": 3536.799,
      "duration": 5.841
    },
    {
      "text": "date in a few months anyway. So our",
      "start": 3539.28,
      "duration": 5.2
    },
    {
      "text": "approach, what we've just done is just",
      "start": 3542.64,
      "duration": 3.36
    },
    {
      "text": "kind of partner pretty closely with the",
      "start": 3544.48,
      "duration": 3.28
    },
    {
      "text": "government, right? I think it's this is",
      "start": 3546.0,
      "duration": 3.599
    },
    {
      "text": "like an important technology. I think",
      "start": 3547.76,
      "duration": 3.359
    },
    {
      "text": "the government should know all the",
      "start": 3549.599,
      "duration": 2.72
    },
    {
      "text": "important training runs that are",
      "start": 3551.119,
      "duration": 3.601
    },
    {
      "text": "happening. Um we should work with the",
      "start": 3552.319,
      "duration": 4.48
    },
    {
      "text": "government proactively um to make sure",
      "start": 3554.72,
      "duration": 3.52
    },
    {
      "text": "that they have an understanding of the",
      "start": 3556.799,
      "duration": 3.681
    },
    {
      "text": "capabilities that are coming and to the",
      "start": 3558.24,
      "duration": 4.48
    },
    {
      "text": "extent that that that we can we kind of",
      "start": 3560.48,
      "duration": 4.72
    },
    {
      "text": "help prepare for it. And from that",
      "start": 3562.72,
      "duration": 3.92
    },
    {
      "text": "perspective, you know, I mean, look,",
      "start": 3565.2,
      "duration": 3.04
    },
    {
      "text": "whether there's a framework in place or",
      "start": 3566.64,
      "duration": 3.12
    },
    {
      "text": "not, I think that's the right thing for",
      "start": 3568.24,
      "duration": 3.28
    },
    {
      "text": "an American company to do is work with",
      "start": 3569.76,
      "duration": 3.839
    },
    {
      "text": "the American government closely. I think",
      "start": 3571.52,
      "duration": 4.16
    },
    {
      "text": "it actually ends up being way more",
      "start": 3573.599,
      "duration": 4.321
    },
    {
      "text": "effective because instead of having this",
      "start": 3575.68,
      "duration": 4.24
    },
    {
      "text": "like rigid framework for how you",
      "start": 3577.92,
      "duration": 4.0
    },
    {
      "text": "interact, it's like the reality is the",
      "start": 3579.92,
      "duration": 3.84
    },
    {
      "text": "challenges just end up being different,",
      "start": 3581.92,
      "duration": 3.04
    },
    {
      "text": "right, over time. It's like, okay, now",
      "start": 3583.76,
      "duration": 2.88
    },
    {
      "text": "we have the cyber security challenges.",
      "start": 3584.96,
      "duration": 3.119
    },
    {
      "text": "Maybe in, you know, six months we'll",
      "start": 3586.64,
      "duration": 4.24
    },
    {
      "text": "have more bioype challenges. Like we",
      "start": 3588.079,
      "duration": 4.72
    },
    {
      "text": "need to make sure that we have the kind",
      "start": 3590.88,
      "duration": 4.0
    },
    {
      "text": "of trust and bandwidth of the",
      "start": 3592.799,
      "duration": 4.241
    },
    {
      "text": "communication that we have with all the",
      "start": 3594.88,
      "duration": 3.52
    },
    {
      "text": "different parts of the government on",
      "start": 3597.04,
      "duration": 3.92
    },
    {
      "text": "that to be able to address those in a",
      "start": 3598.4,
      "duration": 4.399
    },
    {
      "text": "way that is actually the best for people",
      "start": 3600.96,
      "duration": 4.0
    },
    {
      "text": "not just like checking some boxes on a",
      "start": 3602.799,
      "duration": 4.081
    },
    {
      "text": "process. So",
      "start": 3604.96,
      "duration": 3.52
    },
    {
      "text": ">> the incentives that already exist like",
      "start": 3606.88,
      "duration": 3.52
    },
    {
      "text": "if a model a meta model got out and did",
      "start": 3608.48,
      "duration": 3.119
    },
    {
      "text": "a lot of damage like you're going to be",
      "start": 3610.4,
      "duration": 2.8
    },
    {
      "text": "liable for that and like the market's",
      "start": 3611.599,
      "duration": 3.841
    },
    {
      "text": "going to correct you right so there is",
      "start": 3613.2,
      "duration": 4.0
    },
    {
      "text": "that already I think people discount",
      "start": 3615.44,
      "duration": 2.48
    },
    {
      "text": "that",
      "start": 3617.2,
      "duration": 3.359
    },
    {
      "text": ">> yeah I also just think that there's been",
      "start": 3617.92,
      "duration": 4.879
    },
    {
      "text": "I think Silicon Valley for the last",
      "start": 3620.559,
      "duration": 4.081
    },
    {
      "text": "maybe I don't know",
      "start": 3622.799,
      "duration": 4.481
    },
    {
      "text": ">> for a lot of maybe the last 15 years um",
      "start": 3624.64,
      "duration": 4.08
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    {
      "text": "has had more of an armslength",
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      "text": "relationship with the government and I",
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    },
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      "text": "just think that this stuff is",
      "start": 3631.04,
      "duration": 3.68
    },
    {
      "text": "intersecting more with",
      "start": 3632.319,
      "duration": 5.601
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    {
      "text": ">> the economy with security with with with",
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      "duration": 4.32
    },
    {
      "text": "a lot of different things that I think",
      "start": 3637.92,
      "duration": 4.0
    },
    {
      "text": "are relevant in ways that that I think",
      "start": 3639.04,
      "duration": 4.16
    },
    {
      "text": "you just want to have a closer",
      "start": 3641.92,
      "duration": 4.159
    },
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      "text": "partnership. So that's my that's my own",
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      "duration": 4.48
    },
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      "text": "theory. I think like you could have a",
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      "text": "framework for for kind of how this stuff",
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      "duration": 4.639
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    {
      "text": "works or you could not. Um, I'm sure",
      "start": 3649.76,
      "duration": 4.559
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    {
      "text": "over time there will be like more and",
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      "duration": 4.48
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      "text": "more specific rules, but my guess is",
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    {
      "text": "that whatever that gets whatever there",
      "start": 3656.799,
      "duration": 4.481
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      "text": "is. Um, actually, you know, it's kind of",
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      "text": "like when you're setting up an org, you",
      "start": 3661.28,
      "duration": 4.48
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    {
      "text": "don't really want to like like inside a",
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      "duration": 3.761
    },
    {
      "text": "company, you're not trying to like ship",
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      "duration": 2.72
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      "text": "the org chart of just having like one",
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      "duration": 2.719
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    {
      "text": "team do what it's supposed to do and",
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      "duration": 2.16
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      "text": "another team do what it's supposed to",
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    },
    {
      "text": "do. You kind of want to get the people",
      "start": 3670.64,
      "duration": 2.719
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    {
      "text": "to like like each other and work",
      "start": 3672.079,
      "duration": 3.121
    },
    {
      "text": "together so that way you don't have all",
      "start": 3673.359,
      "duration": 3.681
    },
    {
      "text": "these like weird seams in what you're",
      "start": 3675.2,
      "duration": 2.48
    },
    {
      "text": "doing. Mhm.",
      "start": 3677.04,
      "duration": 3.68
    },
    {
      "text": ">> Um, and I would guess that for how",
      "start": 3677.68,
      "duration": 5.679
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    {
      "text": "important AI and super intelligence are",
      "start": 3680.72,
      "duration": 6.079
    },
    {
      "text": "going to be for the world, um, you kind",
      "start": 3683.359,
      "duration": 6.881
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    {
      "text": "of just want a like good knowledge",
      "start": 3686.799,
      "duration": 6.641
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    {
      "text": "exchange and real trusted dialogue more",
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    {
      "text": "than you want a specific process is my",
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      "duration": 3.679
    },
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      "text": "guess, but they're not they're not",
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      "duration": 3.52
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    {
      "text": "mutually exclusive. So, and I'm like I I",
      "start": 3697.119,
      "duration": 3.601
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    {
      "text": "think that that's but that that's at",
      "start": 3699.44,
      "duration": 2.72
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    {
      "text": "least the part that I think we've been",
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      "duration": 4.399
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    {
      "text": "we've been very focused on. Um, and I",
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      "duration": 4.24
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      "text": "think if the other labs did that, which",
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      "text": "I think some of them are doing and and",
      "start": 3706.4,
      "duration": 3.12
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      "text": "maybe others not as much, but I think",
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      "text": "that that would be a very positive",
      "start": 3709.52,
      "duration": 1.68
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    {
      "text": "thing.",
      "start": 3710.799,
      "duration": 1.921
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    {
      "text": ">> When you think about like what's going",
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      "duration": 4.159
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      "text": "on in the news, one of the things that's",
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      "text": "happening is people are starting to see",
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      "text": "like the glasses you guys make. They're",
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      "text": "going very mainstream. You're selling a",
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    {
      "text": "lot of them.",
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    {
      "text": ">> And there's this.",
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      "duration": 3.841
    },
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      "text": ">> And there's this growing um I don't know",
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      "duration": 4.24
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      "text": "what it is. I don't know how much depth",
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      "text": "there is actually to it, but there's",
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      "text": "this growing concern about are people",
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      "text": "using them to spy? I'm sure you've seen",
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      "text": "some establishments are like banning",
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      "text": "people from coming in and wearing the",
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      "text": "glasses and and I'm curious like how you",
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      "text": "were reacting to that and and if you",
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    {
      "text": "think this is a moment in time that will",
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      "duration": 4.081
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    {
      "text": "pass or if you've feel like this is",
      "start": 3744.4,
      "duration": 3.439
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    {
      "text": "maybe something that is going to be a",
      "start": 3746.4,
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      "text": "challenge for a while. So I mean my take",
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    {
      "text": "on this is that we designed the glasses",
      "start": 3749.839,
      "duration": 5.361
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    {
      "text": "from the beginning with these privacy",
      "start": 3752.799,
      "duration": 4.401
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    {
      "text": "considerations in mind. I we built the",
      "start": 3755.2,
      "duration": 3.68
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    {
      "text": "light into it. So anytime it is",
      "start": 3757.2,
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    {
      "text": "recording it's flashing a very visible",
      "start": 3758.88,
      "duration": 2.479
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    {
      "text": "light",
      "start": 3760.799,
      "duration": 1.921
    },
    {
      "text": ">> and some people have tried to tamper",
      "start": 3761.359,
      "duration": 2.641
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    {
      "text": "with the light and you guys pushed an",
      "start": 3762.72,
      "duration": 2.0
    },
    {
      "text": "update I think that",
      "start": 3764.0,
      "duration": 2.72
    },
    {
      "text": ">> yeah we've done many things and it's to",
      "start": 3764.72,
      "duration": 3.28
    },
    {
      "text": "basically if you try to mess with the",
      "start": 3766.72,
      "duration": 2.16
    },
    {
      "text": "light",
      "start": 3768.0,
      "duration": 3.119
    },
    {
      "text": ">> we just basically brick the camera on on",
      "start": 3768.88,
      "duration": 5.679
    },
    {
      "text": "your on your device. So that's a really",
      "start": 3771.119,
      "duration": 6.96
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    {
      "text": "important part of this is basically we",
      "start": 3774.559,
      "duration": 6.881
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    {
      "text": "built we built the product with those",
      "start": 3778.079,
      "duration": 5.441
    },
    {
      "text": "questions in mind from the beginning. So",
      "start": 3781.44,
      "duration": 3.28
    },
    {
      "text": "we actually feel quite good about the",
      "start": 3783.52,
      "duration": 3.279
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    {
      "text": "product. I think it if I mean phones",
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      "duration": 3.68
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      "text": "don't have a light but I mean people go",
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      "text": "around like recording people all the",
      "start": 3788.4,
      "duration": 4.08
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      "text": "time. The glasses are I think way better",
      "start": 3789.76,
      "duration": 4.88
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    {
      "text": "on that front than the other types of",
      "start": 3792.48,
      "duration": 4.4
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      "text": "technology that people use. My take on",
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      "duration": 3.679
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      "text": "this is that when we launched the",
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      "text": "glasses a few years back, we",
      "start": 3798.319,
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      "text": "communicated pretty clearly about these",
      "start": 3800.319,
      "duration": 4.641
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    {
      "text": "steps that we put into it. But like you",
      "start": 3802.0,
      "duration": 5.2
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      "text": "said, there's now like many many many",
      "start": 3804.96,
      "duration": 3.68
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      "text": "millions of people who have gotten the",
      "start": 3807.2,
      "duration": 3.919
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    {
      "text": "glasses more than you know had them when",
      "start": 3808.64,
      "duration": 3.919
    },
    {
      "text": "we just started launching the product.",
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      "duration": 3.44
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    {
      "text": "So I think some of that communication",
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      "duration": 5.28
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    {
      "text": "that we did at the beginning a lot of",
      "start": 3814.559,
      "duration": 5.681
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    {
      "text": "people either you know maybe they forgot",
      "start": 3817.839,
      "duration": 4.161
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    {
      "text": "about or you know they didn't see at the",
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      "duration": 2.72
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      "text": "beginning or they just weren't paying",
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      "duration": 2.079
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      "text": "attention to it because the glasses",
      "start": 3822.96,
      "duration": 3.52
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    {
      "text": "weren't a big thing. And now that I",
      "start": 3824.079,
      "duration": 4.081
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    {
      "text": "think we've achieved a level of",
      "start": 3826.48,
      "duration": 3.92
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    {
      "text": "mainstream, well, at a minimum, I think",
      "start": 3828.16,
      "duration": 5.28
    },
    {
      "text": "we need to kind of go and make sure that",
      "start": 3830.4,
      "duration": 4.719
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    {
      "text": "we communicate about what we're doing",
      "start": 3833.44,
      "duration": 3.679
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    {
      "text": "and that yes, we think that this is",
      "start": 3835.119,
      "duration": 4.0
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    {
      "text": "important and in fact so important that",
      "start": 3837.119,
      "duration": 3.68
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    {
      "text": "we designed it into the product from the",
      "start": 3839.119,
      "duration": 3.2
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    {
      "text": "very first version that we that we",
      "start": 3840.799,
      "duration": 3.921
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    {
      "text": "shipped multiple years ago. And I I",
      "start": 3842.319,
      "duration": 3.52
    },
    {
      "text": "think we I think we just need to make",
      "start": 3844.72,
      "duration": 3.839
    },
    {
      "text": "sure that people understand how like how",
      "start": 3845.839,
      "duration": 4.161
    },
    {
      "text": "fundamentally that's built into the",
      "start": 3848.559,
      "duration": 3.52
    },
    {
      "text": "product. But but I think we let up on",
      "start": 3850.0,
      "duration": 3.599
    },
    {
      "text": "that a little bit and just kind of",
      "start": 3852.079,
      "duration": 3.921
    },
    {
      "text": "focused on okay they're great looking",
      "start": 3853.599,
      "duration": 5.2
    },
    {
      "text": "glasses. Um you know there's there's all",
      "start": 3856.0,
      "duration": 4.24
    },
    {
      "text": "these designs. I mean that's kind of",
      "start": 3858.799,
      "duration": 3.601
    },
    {
      "text": "been more of the focus on like we we",
      "start": 3860.24,
      "duration": 4.079
    },
    {
      "text": "felt like we kind of addressed the that",
      "start": 3862.4,
      "duration": 3.52
    },
    {
      "text": "those set of concerns early on and then",
      "start": 3864.319,
      "duration": 2.961
    },
    {
      "text": "since then have just been increasing the",
      "start": 3865.92,
      "duration": 3.439
    },
    {
      "text": "value and the utility of them and the",
      "start": 3867.28,
      "duration": 3.68
    },
    {
      "text": "designs. But I think we need to make",
      "start": 3869.359,
      "duration": 2.881
    },
    {
      "text": "sure that we communicate this piece",
      "start": 3870.96,
      "duration": 2.48
    },
    {
      "text": "really clearly. But it's something we've",
      "start": 3872.24,
      "duration": 2.24
    },
    {
      "text": "cared about from the beginning and I",
      "start": 3873.44,
      "duration": 2.24
    },
    {
      "text": "think we're in a good we're in a good",
      "start": 3874.48,
      "duration": 3.04
    },
    {
      "text": "position on it. But I mean look people",
      "start": 3875.68,
      "duration": 3.2
    },
    {
      "text": "care about this stuff. So it's important",
      "start": 3877.52,
      "duration": 2.64
    },
    {
      "text": ">> and there's a privacy scare with phones",
      "start": 3878.88,
      "duration": 2.64
    },
    {
      "text": "in the early days, right? And I think",
      "start": 3880.16,
      "duration": 3.12
    },
    {
      "text": "like any new product once it proves that",
      "start": 3881.52,
      "duration": 3.44
    },
    {
      "text": "it's valuable in people's lives, you",
      "start": 3883.28,
      "duration": 4.559
    },
    {
      "text": "know, people will get used to it and and",
      "start": 3884.96,
      "duration": 4.56
    },
    {
      "text": "I think maybe glasses are just early in",
      "start": 3887.839,
      "duration": 3.361
    },
    {
      "text": "that in the sense of like it's a new",
      "start": 3889.52,
      "duration": 3.92
    },
    {
      "text": "product and people need to see the value",
      "start": 3891.2,
      "duration": 4.48
    },
    {
      "text": "for them to get over this mental hurdle",
      "start": 3893.44,
      "duration": 3.28
    },
    {
      "text": "of like a new thing that could",
      "start": 3895.68,
      "duration": 2.639
    },
    {
      "text": "potentially record me because that was",
      "start": 3896.72,
      "duration": 3.04
    },
    {
      "text": "what phones I mean back in the day I",
      "start": 3898.319,
      "duration": 3.28
    },
    {
      "text": "remember people were like what are you",
      "start": 3899.76,
      "duration": 4.0
    },
    {
      "text": "doing with your phone? Like yeah I don't",
      "start": 3901.599,
      "duration": 2.48
    },
    {
      "text": "know.",
      "start": 3903.76,
      "duration": 1.599
    },
    {
      "text": ">> Yeah, I think there's something like",
      "start": 3904.079,
      "duration": 4.48
    },
    {
      "text": "that that's true. I mean, I guess one of",
      "start": 3905.359,
      "duration": 6.48
    },
    {
      "text": "my reflections from building social",
      "start": 3908.559,
      "duration": 5.601
    },
    {
      "text": "media over the last 20 years is that I",
      "start": 3911.839,
      "duration": 3.921
    },
    {
      "text": "don't think we were as direct as we",
      "start": 3914.16,
      "duration": 2.72
    },
    {
      "text": "probably should have been about",
      "start": 3915.76,
      "duration": 2.64
    },
    {
      "text": "addressing some of those concerns. And",
      "start": 3916.88,
      "duration": 3.28
    },
    {
      "text": "it it didn't necessarily stop people",
      "start": 3918.4,
      "duration": 3.36
    },
    {
      "text": "from using the products,",
      "start": 3920.16,
      "duration": 3.28
    },
    {
      "text": ">> but I think it colors how people think",
      "start": 3921.76,
      "duration": 4.72
    },
    {
      "text": "about them today. And I think it would",
      "start": 3923.44,
      "duration": 5.2
    },
    {
      "text": "have been possible to have kind of",
      "start": 3926.48,
      "duration": 4.079
    },
    {
      "text": "explained along the way how seriously we",
      "start": 3928.64,
      "duration": 6.08
    },
    {
      "text": "took those issues. and we just didn't",
      "start": 3930.559,
      "duration": 6.0
    },
    {
      "text": "because we thought okay well people are",
      "start": 3934.72,
      "duration": 3.68
    },
    {
      "text": "showing that by using the product so",
      "start": 3936.559,
      "duration": 4.161
    },
    {
      "text": "much they like are they still like the",
      "start": 3938.4,
      "duration": 3.679
    },
    {
      "text": "products but I actually think it's",
      "start": 3940.72,
      "duration": 2.879
    },
    {
      "text": "possible to get to a better state than",
      "start": 3942.079,
      "duration": 2.72
    },
    {
      "text": "where we've gotten",
      "start": 3943.599,
      "duration": 3.2
    },
    {
      "text": ">> with with um with the social media",
      "start": 3944.799,
      "duration": 3.52
    },
    {
      "text": "products which is both people liking it",
      "start": 3946.799,
      "duration": 3.921
    },
    {
      "text": "and understanding how seriously we take",
      "start": 3948.319,
      "duration": 4.881
    },
    {
      "text": "all of those issues. So that's what I",
      "start": 3950.72,
      "duration": 3.76
    },
    {
      "text": "aspire to. Mhm.",
      "start": 3953.2,
      "duration": 4.24
    },
    {
      "text": ">> Is there a through line from that to the",
      "start": 3954.48,
      "duration": 4.879
    },
    {
      "text": "recent settlement uh on all the youth",
      "start": 3957.44,
      "duration": 3.599
    },
    {
      "text": "safety stuff and it's I think a lot of",
      "start": 3959.359,
      "duration": 4.48
    },
    {
      "text": "people are talking about um is there any",
      "start": 3961.039,
      "duration": 3.921
    },
    {
      "text": "connection from what you just said to",
      "start": 3963.839,
      "duration": 2.641
    },
    {
      "text": "that and like I I would just be curious",
      "start": 3964.96,
      "duration": 2.8
    },
    {
      "text": "to hear you reflect on that and like",
      "start": 3966.48,
      "duration": 2.96
    },
    {
      "text": "what you've learned from this process or",
      "start": 3967.76,
      "duration": 2.24
    },
    {
      "text": "if",
      "start": 3969.44,
      "duration": 2.32
    },
    {
      "text": ">> Yeah. No, I think it's it's another good",
      "start": 3970.0,
      "duration": 3.76
    },
    {
      "text": "example like this. I mean we've taken a",
      "start": 3971.76,
      "duration": 3.76
    },
    {
      "text": "lot of those safety issues seriously for",
      "start": 3973.76,
      "duration": 2.96
    },
    {
      "text": "a while and we've been working on this",
      "start": 3975.52,
      "duration": 3.279
    },
    {
      "text": "teen account work with with Instagram",
      "start": 3976.72,
      "duration": 4.319
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      "text": "for for a long time and I think have",
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      "text": "have done some leading work there. the",
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      "text": "the settlement there is interesting",
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      "text": "because what we're really trying to do",
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      "text": "is create a standard and framework for",
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      "text": "the industry and there's this real issue",
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      "text": "which is that I actually think most of",
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      "text": "the companies that are building this",
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      "text": "these products you know if you basically",
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    {
      "text": "said you know limit usage to an hour a",
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      "text": "day for teens you know everyone I think",
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      "text": "would be okay with that except if like",
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    {
      "text": "you have to unilaterally do it",
      "start": 4004.72,
      "duration": 4.16
    },
    {
      "text": ">> then you're saying okay like if if",
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    {
      "text": "people don't use Instagram for more than",
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    {
      "text": "an hour a day but then they're usage",
      "start": 4010.48,
      "duration": 3.52
    },
    {
      "text": "goes to Tik Tok. Have we really like",
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      "duration": 3.28
    },
    {
      "text": "helped anyone? And if we and we've just",
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    },
    {
      "text": "like hurt ourselves to not help anyone",
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      "duration": 3.679
    },
    {
      "text": ">> and you guys have that in the piece that",
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    },
    {
      "text": "like",
      "start": 4019.359,
      "duration": 1.921
    },
    {
      "text": ">> so basically the structure for what we",
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    },
    {
      "text": "did was we basically said we're going to",
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      "duration": 5.759
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    {
      "text": "take the step of unilaterally limiting",
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      "duration": 6.0
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    {
      "text": "the usage of of there's there's some",
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      "duration": 4.8
    },
    {
      "text": "things around time limits. Um there's",
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      "duration": 3.76
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    {
      "text": "some things around notifications and",
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      "duration": 3.28
    },
    {
      "text": "time when people can access it when",
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      "duration": 2.48
    },
    {
      "text": "they're in school, when they should be",
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      "duration": 3.2
    },
    {
      "text": "sleeping, like different restrictions.",
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      "duration": 3.92
    },
    {
      "text": "And we basically said we will take the",
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      "duration": 6.641
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    {
      "text": "first step and when YouTube and Tik Tok",
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      "duration": 7.679
    },
    {
      "text": "sign on to the same terms then we can",
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      "duration": 4.879
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    {
      "text": "all as an industry lock in and take the",
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      "duration": 4.48
    },
    {
      "text": "next step together. So hopefully I'm",
      "start": 4049.839,
      "duration": 5.52
    },
    {
      "text": "very hopeful that this settlement will",
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      "duration": 6.321
    },
    {
      "text": "serve as a sort of legally binding",
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      "duration": 5.841
    },
    {
      "text": "framework to bring the whole industry",
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      "duration": 5.28
    },
    {
      "text": "into alignment on some of these things",
      "start": 4061.2,
      "duration": 6.08
    },
    {
      "text": "and make it so that it doesn't kind of",
      "start": 4063.92,
      "duration": 5.36
    },
    {
      "text": "disadvantage any one company for taking",
      "start": 4067.28,
      "duration": 3.44
    },
    {
      "text": "that step. Now I mean we're we're",
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      "duration": 2.559
    },
    {
      "text": "basically putting ourselves a little bit",
      "start": 4070.72,
      "duration": 5.359
    },
    {
      "text": "out there by going first, but um but I I",
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      "duration": 6.24
    },
    {
      "text": "think it will be better for everyone if",
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      "duration": 4.24
    },
    {
      "text": "these other companies come in too. Last",
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      "duration": 4.48
    },
    {
      "text": "question. You're posting on X again.",
      "start": 4080.319,
      "duration": 2.72
    },
    {
      "text": ">> Yeah.",
      "start": 4082.559,
      "duration": 2.56
    },
    {
      "text": ">> You did everywhere. You're everywhere,",
      "start": 4083.039,
      "duration": 4.161
    },
    {
      "text": "but just curious to know like you're",
      "start": 4085.119,
      "duration": 4.561
    },
    {
      "text": "thinking of like posting there like the",
      "start": 4087.2,
      "duration": 4.72
    },
    {
      "text": "bragging like is it just part of the",
      "start": 4089.68,
      "duration": 3.52
    },
    {
      "text": ">> part of the thing now? Like because",
      "start": 4091.92,
      "duration": 2.56
    },
    {
      "text": "you've got Threads, you're on Threads.",
      "start": 4093.2,
      "duration": 2.8
    },
    {
      "text": ">> Yeah, I mean I'm on Threads. I think I",
      "start": 4094.48,
      "duration": 3.44
    },
    {
      "text": "mean obviously Threads is doing great. I",
      "start": 4096.0,
      "duration": 4.4
    },
    {
      "text": "think it's actually it either I think",
      "start": 4097.92,
      "duration": 4.08
    },
    {
      "text": "it's either bigger than X at this point",
      "start": 4100.4,
      "duration": 4.08
    },
    {
      "text": "or is like very soon about to be. But I",
      "start": 4102.0,
      "duration": 3.44
    },
    {
      "text": "mean look there there there are",
      "start": 4104.48,
      "duration": 1.92
    },
    {
      "text": "different communities in the different",
      "start": 4105.44,
      "duration": 3.04
    },
    {
      "text": "places. There's a lot of AI folks are on",
      "start": 4106.4,
      "duration": 3.04
    },
    {
      "text": "X. And",
      "start": 4108.48,
      "duration": 2.719
    },
    {
      "text": ">> um I think part of what you try to do",
      "start": 4109.44,
      "duration": 3.52
    },
    {
      "text": "with social media",
      "start": 4111.199,
      "duration": 3.681
    },
    {
      "text": ">> is just communicate where people are,",
      "start": 4112.96,
      "duration": 3.44
    },
    {
      "text": "right? It's kind of like and when you do",
      "start": 4114.88,
      "duration": 3.12
    },
    {
      "text": "a podcast or when you post, you probably",
      "start": 4116.4,
      "duration": 2.879
    },
    {
      "text": "just post in one place, you put it",
      "start": 4118.0,
      "duration": 2.239
    },
    {
      "text": "everywhere. So",
      "start": 4119.279,
      "duration": 2.48
    },
    {
      "text": ">> like I mean I post the same things on",
      "start": 4120.239,
      "duration": 3.361
    },
    {
      "text": "threads and X and some people are like",
      "start": 4121.759,
      "duration": 3.281
    },
    {
      "text": "why are you posting this on X? It's like",
      "start": 4123.6,
      "duration": 2.96
    },
    {
      "text": "well and I post it there too, right?",
      "start": 4125.04,
      "duration": 3.679
    },
    {
      "text": "It's like and I'll engage there too. So",
      "start": 4126.56,
      "duration": 4.08
    },
    {
      "text": ">> I guess I think it's all good but I I do",
      "start": 4128.719,
      "duration": 4.321
    },
    {
      "text": "think that the to some degree some of",
      "start": 4130.64,
      "duration": 4.079
    },
    {
      "text": "the community is on X and we want to be",
      "start": 4133.04,
      "duration": 3.04
    },
    {
      "text": "able to engage where people are. Yeah.",
      "start": 4134.719,
      "duration": 3.04
    },
    {
      "text": "And that's like a lot of what uh you",
      "start": 4136.08,
      "duration": 3.599
    },
    {
      "text": "know yeah what what what this is about",
      "start": 4137.759,
      "duration": 3.6
    },
    {
      "text": "is going where where where people are",
      "start": 4139.679,
      "duration": 3.12
    },
    {
      "text": "and being able to kind of have that",
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      "duration": 1.92
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    {
      "text": "dialogue.",
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      "duration": 1.841
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    {
      "text": ">> Yeah. Well, thanks Mark. Thanks for this",
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